Wartak Rail vs Magwedge Rail?
- Thread starter Dexter Morgan
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SCDS or something ammo..... they make Wartak. I first bought the Magwedge kwik rail when it came out; it was light, sat nice and low to the rest of the gun, Had a groove up the middle that allowed you to roughly use your irons if your took your scope off. I mounted a 12x nikon scope to it, only to find after every shot, for about 3-5 seconds the crosshair would be blurry from vibration (the shell casing bouncing of the mount). I had the provided Velcro installed on the deflector section of the mount; it still vibrated.... the mount was just to thin.
So I bought the Wartak, around twice as thick, mounted the SAME scope to it, no vibration issues at all
the Wartak however does NOT allow you to see your irons after it is installed (use my SKS for hunting so the irons dont matter to me anyways). The Wartak being thicker means your optic sits almost 1 cm higher than that of the Magwedge. The Wartak comes with a separate attachment rail around 2.5" long that you can screw to you stock to equip things like a foregrip.
I have since received word that Magwedge has released the new "gen 2" rail, which ive been assured does not vibrate. I have no experience with this new rail, but from the pictures it appears to be the same thickness as the previous one that vibrated ?! so idk.
The Wartak rails deflector seems to cause stove pipes in my SKS about once every 100 rnds give or take, where as I never had a jam with the Magwedge ( but I maybe only fired about 100 rnds out of it before swapping it) ..
The Wartak still seems to be selling for around $128 .... I think I remember seeing the new Magwedge for a much cheaper price, not sure of this though.
Both are Patent pending, but Magwedge I believe was the first to develop them
Both are Canadian made
Moral of the story.... Im more than happy with the Wartak, ....ended up selling my Magwedge mount to a buddy for like $50 out of the $128 I payed new for it... He slapped a red dot on it which seemed to work out great for him.
So I bought the Wartak, around twice as thick, mounted the SAME scope to it, no vibration issues at all
the Wartak however does NOT allow you to see your irons after it is installed (use my SKS for hunting so the irons dont matter to me anyways). The Wartak being thicker means your optic sits almost 1 cm higher than that of the Magwedge. The Wartak comes with a separate attachment rail around 2.5" long that you can screw to you stock to equip things like a foregrip. I have since received word that Magwedge has released the new "gen 2" rail, which ive been assured does not vibrate. I have no experience with this new rail, but from the pictures it appears to be the same thickness as the previous one that vibrated ?! so idk.
The Wartak rails deflector seems to cause stove pipes in my SKS about once every 100 rnds give or take, where as I never had a jam with the Magwedge ( but I maybe only fired about 100 rnds out of it before swapping it) ..
The Wartak still seems to be selling for around $128 .... I think I remember seeing the new Magwedge for a much cheaper price, not sure of this though.
Both are Patent pending, but Magwedge I believe was the first to develop them
Both are Canadian made
Moral of the story.... Im more than happy with the Wartak, ....ended up selling my Magwedge mount to a buddy for like $50 out of the $128 I payed new for it... He slapped a red dot on it which seemed to work out great for him.
- Location
- BC Lower Mainland
LOL, I would sure like to know who is responsible for this absolute BS story.
We make our rails as thin as possible in order to allow the best possible cheekweld.
We have never had a single rail returned for "excess vibration" or failure to perform its job as a result of such.
The Magwedge KwikRail packs more features for the shooter and is a stronger, one piece design. For the record, it is also the original SKS rail of this design.
Look for yet another version of the rail in 2015 with more enhancements.
Ar180shooter
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- Location
- Ottawa, ON
The Magwedge has some nice features that the Wartak doesn't, and IMO that "vibration" story is BS, no issues with mine or anybody else I've talked to. Other than that, they're pretty comparable. So I guess I'm in the "basically the same" category. Mind you, my Magwedge is the original 2 piece mount, and I haven't had the chance to look at the new one piece system.
- Location
- BC Lower Mainland
Looks like lots of folks are still running their gen1 rails .... if I ran another "upgrade special" do you think folks would have any interest in that?
I have a Gen 1 Magwedge, very nice unit. The only thing I ahd to do with mine was at the back where the reciever pin site, i noticed a very slight gap between the rail and the reciever, which would allow the back of the unit a wee bit of lateral movement when coaxed. But to be fair, I also have / use the pull pin, with the screw in pit, this is not the case. Easy fix, one thin shim washer, no gap, no movement or wiggle. Locks up nice and tight with no change in zero. That might be where some guys are getting this "wiggle" from, but I have seen this on a wide variety of products, even though things are drop in, bolt on, etc. the owner of the gun should still check to make sure that his/her particular gun doesn't need a little "tweak". Great product, recommend it!
I have both the Gen 1 and Gen 2 Magwedge rails. The only "issue" I've had with them isn't really an issue with the rails, so much as with the SKS.
SKS's were built to fairly wide tolerances, so it took a slight bit of tweaking to get them to fit properly. But that isn't the rail's fault, it's the fact that, well, there's a lot of variance in production SKS's.
Once tweaked for fitting, the Magwedge rail is solid and holds zero very well. It even returns to zero almost perfectly after flipping it up for cleaning, and then re-affixing the pin.
The angled underside of the MW rail does a good job of casting the spent brass to the side. If anything, ejection is more predictable with the rail in place than without. I've had zero issues with stovepipes since installing, and on one of my SKS's I used to get stovepipes on a semi-regular basis.
I can't comment on the Wartak rail -don't own one, so won't make any claims to knowledge about how they work.
All I can say is that I'm very happy with the MagWedge. Any of the complaints I've seen, strike me as a case of "someone doesn't understand basic mechanics, and probably should call a friend to install things on milsurps" type issues.
After I finished accurizing the action, and took of the bayo, I was getting about 2&1/2" groups out of that rig, and it filled the freezer with venison this fall. I think the only way I could get groups any tighter out of that rifle would be to go with a fitted Boyd's stock (screw CrapCo), and I'm seriously contemplating going down that road.
SKS's were built to fairly wide tolerances, so it took a slight bit of tweaking to get them to fit properly. But that isn't the rail's fault, it's the fact that, well, there's a lot of variance in production SKS's.
Once tweaked for fitting, the Magwedge rail is solid and holds zero very well. It even returns to zero almost perfectly after flipping it up for cleaning, and then re-affixing the pin.
The angled underside of the MW rail does a good job of casting the spent brass to the side. If anything, ejection is more predictable with the rail in place than without. I've had zero issues with stovepipes since installing, and on one of my SKS's I used to get stovepipes on a semi-regular basis.
I can't comment on the Wartak rail -don't own one, so won't make any claims to knowledge about how they work.
All I can say is that I'm very happy with the MagWedge. Any of the complaints I've seen, strike me as a case of "someone doesn't understand basic mechanics, and probably should call a friend to install things on milsurps" type issues.
After I finished accurizing the action, and took of the bayo, I was getting about 2&1/2" groups out of that rig, and it filled the freezer with venison this fall. I think the only way I could get groups any tighter out of that rifle would be to go with a fitted Boyd's stock (screw CrapCo), and I'm seriously contemplating going down that road.
I asked the exact same question a couple of months ago (mine was one of the two links posted) and after reading the responses from MagWedge i was blown away by the obvious focus on customer service. They were answering everyone's questions and helping people out left right and center. Truly an example of the proper way of taking care of your customers. I now have a beautiful Canadian made rail on my sks and not just a decent copy of one. Kwik Rail all the way!
I have the gen 1 magwedge and my only 3 complains are that A.) right after I got it, the Gen 2 was released (not REALLY an issue since mine works just fine) , B.) I have tilted the rifle while cleaning and the rail came down on my thumb pretty hard, so again, not really an issue with the part as much as an issue with me getting used to controlling the rail better during cleaning LOL, lastly, this one was a legit issue, the set screw for the pin was terrible so I replaced it right away with a quick pin that I got through my work. I love it because my eyes arent good enough to use open sights at all and I needed a great scope mount option!
