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The other day I was resizing some brass for my 218 Bee. As I pulled one case out of the die the neck stayed in the die. If I run the expander ball assembly all the way down I still can't get a grip on it to unscrew it from the shaft. If I screw it all the way to the top it jams into the remnant of the neck. If I force the shaft to unscrew I will get one of two things, the neck will pull out or the shaft will break. If the shaft breaks I can knock it out of there and then deal with the neck still in the die . And then go buy another shaft.

Is there another way I haven't thought of, cuz I am not liking my choices.
 
I wonder if you
1- put the expander ball up into the neck so it would seal and hold water upside down
2- take a few thou off the OD of a empty deprimed brass with Emory cloth
3 - cut the neck off your brass/ custom punch
4 - fill brass with water tip it into your upside down die filled with water
5 - swat it with a big hammer and repeat UNTILL the expander is hydralic forced out

Just dreamt this up , don't know if it will work
 
Keithjohn said:
I wonder if you
1- put the expander ball up into the neck so it would seal and hold water upside down
2- take a few thou off the OD of a empty deprimed brass with Emory cloth
3 - cut the neck off your brass/ custom punch
4 - fill brass with water tip it into your upside down die filled with water
5 - swat it with a big hammer and repeat UNTILL the expander is hydralic forced out

Just dreamt this up , don't know if it will work
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Thanks for your reply. The expander ball is still on the threaded rod and if I did it as you suggest, the only movement I would get would be the thread tolerance, so not much.

But you did get me thinking about the hydraulic effect. So I am going to find a 7/8 -14 thread nut, weld a plate on one end, drill and tap it for a grease zerk. I would put an o-ring in the bottom and thread the die in. As you suggest, back the expander ball into the neck and then put the grease gun to it. This should let me keep backing the threaded shaft out. Might be a pain to clean out, but better than breaking stuff and then trying to replace it.
 
silver 55 said:
Thanks for your reply. The expander ball is still on the threaded rod and if I did it as you suggest, the only movement I would get would be the thread tolerance, so not much.

But you did get me thinking about the hydraulic effect. So I am going to find a 7/8 -14 thread nut, weld a plate on one end, drill and tap it for a grease zerk. I would put an o-ring in the bottom and thread the die in. As you suggest, back the expander ball into the neck and then put the grease gun to it. This should let me keep backing the threaded shaft out. Might be a pain to clean out, but better than breaking stuff and then trying to replace it.
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The threaded rod doesn't have a bushing or nut you can undo as if removing from the top ? I think I'm mis communicating
But the grease zert should push it out as I was imagining the water doing . Then the brass neck is the next thing good luck and please post how things go for you
 
Don't feel bad. I have the body of a 458 wm case stuck in my FL size die. Snapped the head right off. Thought of it as a fluke. Went bear hunting and took a shot at a bear. Racked the bolt and another case head separation. Fortunately the body of the case popped right out of the chamber. I mangled my Achilles tendon and haven't touched the die yet
 
Keithjohn said:
The threaded rod doesn't have a bushing or nut you can undo as if removing from the top ? I think I'm mis communicating
But the grease zert should push it out as I was imagining the water doing . Then the brass neck is the next thing good luck and please post how things go for you
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I think I know what you are saying. I checked my shelves and Lee, Hornady and RCBS would come out as you suggest but not Redding.

As I picture it, the expander ball will jam up in the neck. The die will have sized the neck down smaller than the ball. The grease should push both the ball and the neck out at the same time.
I will try to remember to post results.
 
Time for an update.

I was thinking about cleaning up the expander ball, clean up the neck of a sacrificial piece of brass, whip up some JB Weld and coat the inside of the neck with the JB Weld. Press the brass onto the expander ball and let it sit for a day. Grab the brass in a vise and unscrew the ball.

But my friend came over the other day and he had a better idea. He took a pair of needlenose pliers and pulled out the depriming pin, and then used the pliers to unscrew the expander ball. He explained when you take the depriming pin out, it releases the tension/pressure on the ball threads.

Any way, I am back in business, hope it helps out some one else.
 
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