WC-MCR vs WK180 newbie needs help

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I'm in the market for a semi 223/5.56 rifle and need some direction. Any opinions on the rifles mentioned, which would you purchase? Or others you can recommend that are currently available non restricted. Budget is $2000.00 with optic.
 
I haven't had any issues with my WK180, but I hear a lot of horror stories about those who did. The general consensus is that the MCR has better build quality, and addresses some of the issues the 180 had, but I haven't had the chance to handle one yet to have a personal opinion.
 
IRUNGUNS NODAK SPUD NDS 18SC sounds very promising, maybe hold out for this one, IRG has posted they should have some available from 60 to 90 days
 
I have friedns with both the WK-180C and the MCR. I HANDS DOWN recommend the MCR over the WK. Build quality is much nicer, fit and finish is better. As stated, replace the bolt roll pin with an AR firing pin retaining pin asap.
 
Is this something that's easy enough to do yourself or does it need to go to a gunsmith? Also how much are the pins worth? I have little knowledge with this stuff lol. I'm handy and work with my hands everyday.
 
Phat Eagle said:
Why "vastly superior"? After handling and shooting both, the MCR is a considerable improvement over the WK-180C. Checking the threads on the NDS180C I see no showstopping improvements that would justify the extra $600 in initial cost, but maybe I missed something?
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The NDS18SC is a BRN-180 Generation 2 upper modified to not fit an AR15 lower, instead modified to fit a customized Nodak 180 lower. The original BRN180 had teething problems, but those have been solved; in effect this is generation 2 of a product that had to justify a premium price over other AR15 uppers in the very competitive American market.
 
From what I've read, both can be fine or problematic - be prepared for some minor issues either way and you won't be disappointed. The fact is, they are mechanically simple devices and there's only a handful of parts that may break or be an issue so just be prepared that you may have to replace a part here or there... and enjoy it.

I have a WK180C and purchased it over the MCR just because it was more available at the time. Maybe that's still the case? I can say that Kodiak (manufacturer of the WK) has amazing customer service. I can't comment on the other manufacturer. The WK is very upgradable, and I believe one difference is that the WK offers a bolt hold open option that the MCR lacks (but verify that first). This is a nice addition as it makes PROVE much easier, and troubleshooting issues easier as well.

The new gun from IRUNGUNS might be great, or it might have it's own problems... who knows. It certainly is going to be more expensive. For the same money, you can probably buy a WK or MCR and upgrade the trigger and add an optic and a few other goodies and still have money left over.

My WK is a fun project gun... I'm upgrading many aspects of it as thankfully most parts are compatible with AR15s. Don't spend too much time worrying about which one... just get one! :D
 
Just completed the order for the MCR! Didn't bother with optics or mags yet but will look into that in near future.

As far as the comments on changing out the pin to an ar15 pin, Why is this recommended?
 
FlippinStick said:
Just completed the order for the MCR! Didn't bother with optics or mags yet but will look into that in near future.

As far as the comments on changing out the pin to an ar15 pin, Why is this recommended?
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The roll pin is soft metal and will wear prematurely. A $3 AR firing pin retaining pin (looks like a mini cotter pin) fits right in and solves the problem. The thread Ustauk referenced is very useful.
 
I just received my WS-MCR and it is already completely stripped down for cerakote and replacement of every part I can.

My first impression was that it has worse finish than early Norinco's. Sharp corners, machine marks throughout, finish looks more like cheap bluing than anodized. So it will be cerakote's after the sharp edges are filed down for starters. Poorly finished barrel is being replaced (I am going to bore scope it to get a good look at the rifling), A2 bird cage is being replaced, horrid, cheap foreend is being replaced, stock is being replaced, 12 lb trigger is being replaced, sharp safety selector is being replaced and sharp mag release is being replaced. Only things that will be left when I have polished this turd is the upper and lower receivers, gas system and bolt carrier.
 
Recce21 said:
I just received my WS-MCR and it is already completely stripped down for cerakote and replacement of every part I can.

My first impression was that it has worse finish than early Norinco's. Sharp corners, machine marks throughout, finish looks more like cheap bluing than anodized. So it will be cerakote's after the sharp edges are filed down for starters. Poorly finished barrel is being replaced (I am going to bore scope it to get a good look at the rifling), A2 bird cage is being replaced, horrid, cheap foreend is being replaced, stock is being replaced, 12 lb trigger is being replaced, sharp safety selector is being replaced and sharp mag release is being replaced. Only things that will be left when I have polished this turd is the upper and lower receivers, gas system and bolt carrier.
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What handguard are you using? Does the TNA one that fits the WK180C fit the MCR as well?
 
I have shot one and in .224 Valkerie in September and found it to be very accurate. I was able to put five shots into 1.2 inches at 100 yds. using a 12x scope. The trigger has some small creep but this is a fine rifle. This was a fully original rifle as shipped.
 
Bile said:
its almost like they should have just sold it in that state to begin with.
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Preaching to the choir on that one. very disappointing. I wasn't expecting Swiss Arms level of quality for the price but definitely wasn't expecting the worst Norinco level.

Ustauk said:
What handguard are you using? Does the TNA one that fits the WK180C fit the MCR as well?
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Just the generic ones that came with the rifle. Two bolt tension on the barrel nut. Razor blades for MLOK slots.

BurlewLLB said:
I have shot one and in .224 Valkerie in September and found it to be very accurate. I was able to put five shots into 1.2 inches at 100 yds. using a 12x scope. The trigger has some small creep but this is a fine rifle. This was a fully original rifle as shipped.
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Well Ed (I'm assuming based on the user name) I haven't test fired mine for accuracy but with a trigger that requires around 12 lbs of pressure to activate, even with a laser for a barrel (which I highly doubt it is), you aren't talking about a rifle suitable for accuracy where the user and the metal meet.
 
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