Maybee someone should tell them that there is a market for these. If they build we will buy
We need a Canadian M6 Scout rifle.
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Maybee someone should tell them that there is a market for these. If they build we will buy
No thanks. It will take 3 years of production before they get their act together, if previous clone examples are anything to go by.
Maybee someone should tell them that there is a market for these. If they build we will buy
You gotta wonder. The author of the article I linked to didn't seem to think there was enough of a market in the US for a production run, but I kind of question that. If CZ still has all the tooling (and they probably do), how hard could it be to make a short run and still make them available at a reasonable cost? The days of the $200 M6 are long gone, but if they could get them over here for $500 retail, they would probably move. Savage is still making their polymer stock .22/.410, and Crapper is still making the Double Badger, and they seem to be selling, so there must be demand, because those things are junk.
Something made by CZ, with CZ quality... I'd be willing to go $500-$600, even with the bare simplicity of the stamped metal stock.
I agree no China stuff for me, Savage sells huge amounts of their new version, and for this year make it in a takedown version with the youth version. Not to mention the "prepper" craze in the USA the last couple years. This is exactly what people look for in a survival gun.I have fought the urge to drop $1000 + when the originals pop up every now and then. Maybee the bean counters at these company's need to see what they go for used. I would easily pay $500-$800 for a quality, accurate and reliable reproduction.
I own a lot of different guns in a lot of different calibres.
The two calibres I shoot most often outside the range for practical purposes are .22lr and .410.
A good quality, lightweight and compact, packable, .22/.410 is very high on my desire list. A good quality M6 would fit the bill nicely.
But I'm also kinda cheap... I would have trouble using a $1K collector gun as a packable, trunk-able, knockabout.
The two calibres I shoot most often outside the range for practical purposes are .22lr and .410.
A good quality, lightweight and compact, packable, .22/.410 is very high on my desire list. A good quality M6 would fit the bill nicely.
But I'm also kinda cheap... I would have trouble using a $1K collector gun as a packable, trunk-able, knockabout.
Maybee someone should tell them that there is a market for these. If they build we will buy
67 of us so far.
They do make the 527m in batches every year or two from what I've read. And I seem to recall one the dealers on here posting a year or two ago about speaking to CZ directly about getting something done or changed for one of the gun models (sorry can't remember details) so perhaps they would lend an ear to them.
Wolverine? CanAm? Cannot remember...
I think John at Wolverine might be someone to talk to!
How can a company "own" a gun design that was made for the USAF 60 years ago by a different company? Look at all the AR type rifles being made by a multitude of manufacturers. No one "owns" the design.
CZ could have an exclusive to make the guns for Springfield, and CZ USA could have the exclusive to market CZ products in the US.
Dorian Gray
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I agree with you on everything. I just don't think the price point you (and the rest of us) hope for is achievable for anything other than a Chinese or Turkish ( I know, I know, they won't do it) copy. If that 500$-600$ price point can be met, then these will sell well. But if it can't be, or is too close to the same price as buying one on the used market, I don't think they would sell here or in the big marketplace down south in enough numbers to justify dusting off the old tooling and giving it a go no matter who we can get to manufacture them.
From the article:
The original design was made for the US military (produced by Ithaca, apparently), but the current design is not that gun. Springfield made some changes to the design, and that's what they "own". Probably have a copyright on the commercial name as well, which they can stretch out indefinitely.
If you can make a new one, without the Springfield enhancements, and keep "Scout" out of the name, then you'd probably be fine. But big US companies being what they are, they'll have a team of lawyers lined up to dispute the fact.
If we want a copy made we just need someone to take a m6 receiver and draw up some comprehensive blueprints. It wont take long after that for someone to make the necessary cad files that will have the receivers mass produced. After that I wouldn't think it would take much work to get people the rest of the parts done.
You have to remember a Canadian made M6 would also sell nicely internationally.
You have to remember a Canadian made M6 would also sell nicely internationally.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
You did very well indeed sir.
Last year I picked up a used but not abused CZ/Springfield in 22 Hornet/410 for 700 Canadian dollars & I felt very lucky indeed.
IVE GOT ONE IN MY HANDS THAT I CAN POTENTIALLY LEND TO A COMPANY WILLING TO RECREATE A NEW ONE OR A DRAFTSMAN WANTING TO HELP MAKE SCHEMATICS .... PM ME IF INTERESTED IN CHATTING. Sorry for he caps but maybe someone will read t that way.
I was thinking that might be a solution - but then thought the liability of putting a choke on the end of a rifle barrel might shy a manufacturer away. There will be at least one guy who leaves it attached and fires a bullet through it.
maple_leaf_eh
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
http:// gunsleague dot com/2016/06/30/check-out-this-survival-shotgun-that-can-fire-12-different-calibers-and-fits-in-your-bug-out-bag/
https:// youtube dot com/watch?v=0ewFnoXM_6c
Guess which Chiappa turned up on my FB feed? This is what we've been talking about.
https:// youtube dot com/watch?v=0ewFnoXM_6c
Guess which Chiappa turned up on my FB feed? This is what we've been talking about.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
^Yes sir! Handled one at the Cold Lake CT store. Proportions too large, blueing throughout versus park'ed. That foam in the butt stock looks cheap when some storage place (ammo?) could have filled that rather large and useless space. Should have a visible hammer too. Lots of sharp edges for a 12 gauge! (ouch)
meh....
PS: Many people don't realize that the sub gauge adapters are very range restricted & with a reputation of terrible accuracy at even 10-15 yards,& under good conditions.
IMO, the extra weight of numerous adapters should be replaced with a small fishing kit, extra rifle/shotgun ammo, flares or other valuable survival goodies.
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The one thing that Crappa did right was use Shortlane 8" rifled adapters. You won't win any bull's eye competitions with them, but they're not that bad, actually. I did a whole "thing" with a .22 adapter a while back, customized a short-barreled 12 gauge to take a red dot, and tested a bunch of different ammo. I got better results than I thought I was going to.
The targets were at 25 yards, shooting off a bench with a front sandbag rest. No competition winners, for sure, but minute of squirrel out to 25 yards, which is good enough for survival protein.
This is actually what I'm using now as my backpack/survival rig. It's not bad, but I would prefer an M6 in .22 over .410
The M6 is lighter overall, more compact overall, the .22 barrel would undoubtedly be more accurate, and for survival shooting, a 12 gauge is a bit much - .410 is just a better choice for small game and ditch chickens. Also, you can carry more of it for less space and weight than 12 gauge.
The Shortlanes are also prone to rust. You have to keep it wrapped in an oil rag, otherwise corrosion sets in fast. As in, overnight in the humidity of the forest. Not to mention, with adapters, you have to decide what you're going to shoot in advance... No time to insert or withdraw the adapter on the fly.
There's just a whole raft of reasons why a simple, lightweight, reliable, rugged, .22 over .410 kicks butt for a packable survival gun. The current price of the M6's on the used market reflects no only the collector value, but the strong desire that a lot of people have for that solution.
