We need more Conservationist Hunters!!

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The dichotomy between hunters and conservationists is pronounced. Many conservationists are or were hunters but most hunters are not conservationists. But what sets the two apart?

A hunter takes game in any possible legal fasion irrespective of wildlife cycles or the effects or impacts his actions have on wildlife or his future hunting opportunities. His motivations for hunting are varied but a hunter usually wants to kill something, or "tag out", to put meat in the freezer or even just kill for the trophy, for example big antlers.

Even though a hunter may follow the laws and rules set out by supposed qualified wildlife biologists and credentialised wildlife managers, their actions may be detrimental to wildlife in any number of ways but usually will lower populations and make them younger overall. However, it doesn't matter to a hunter what the result of poor policy of so called "government wildlife managers" will be on herd numbers and structure. A hunter believes their actions to be both valid and legitimate as they have been sanctioned by the state. Hey afterall, 5-10 years of bull draw and you finally drew your either ### bull tag right?

A conservationist on the other hand usually is a very experienced hunter acutely tuned to nature and wildlife. He is on a different level and understands the implications of his behaviour and how it affects wildlife and game populations. He realises every shot is part of a management strategy to either increase the herd, reduce it if absolutely necessary, or improve it in some meaningful way.

Many conservationists also donate to conservation organisations like their local wildlife federation or Ducks Unlimited. Or better still, they own or purchase lands to practice their craft and manage wildlife in sustainable ways. In essence a hunter-conservationist is self sufficient and self reliant, as he relies on his knowledge of wildlife and his lands for opportunities...which also leaves more wildlife for non landowners who he might have competed with had he hunted public land or provincial forests, which he knows are already heavily hunted and poorly managed.

But these are 't the only things that separate hunters and conservationists from one another. The most important thing is that conservationists make every attempt to leave nature better than when they found it. They intend to leave a legacy, to pass down better hunting opportunities to the new generation than they had during their lifetime. But doing so requires some sacrifices. Sacrifices that most hunters simply are not interested in making.

So are you a hunter or a conservationist? Are you ready to start managing wildlife or just keep shooting it cause it's still legal? Are you ready to start supporting conservation organisations above and beyond the $40 tag? Let's learn from some conservationists the steps that they use to manage game. What are you conservationists doing that sets you apart from the average hunter? How do we get these guys to take a more active role in wildlife conservation and sustainable management?
 
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This thead is so full of conceit, self importance and tones of elitism it makes want to throw up. Based on your defintions of hunter and conservationist I guess I am a HUNTER and damned proud of it too!! In fact I'll add if I didn't have to apply for and purchase tags or licenses I wouldn't because in my beliefs I do not think the gov't or any person can declare they own any true undomesticated wildlife and that those animals are here for our use free gratis!!
 
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Yeah, the liberal tree huggers are great conservationists, look at the BS Spring bear hunt ban of years past and the current wolf/coyote BS ban. Both were just loaded with scientific facts and reasoning.(if you count only the chicken chit emotional state of the pathetic wretches.)

Yep science of zoology at it's political best just like the BS environmental science about the manmade climate change.

We managed 5000 acres way better than the State and had higher harvest rates, body weight and antler size than the surrounding area in spite of much of "our " game being purposefully driven out of our property with dogs into the surrounding area.

BUT, we used the scientific data that we collected with our own funding and with no irrational emotion.

Liberalism, the scourage of the Earth in every single category and topic.
 
I am a conservationist and hunter. Conservation ...wise use of a resource. taught my kids to hunt and take what they need as my father tought I...never be greedy and know the impact of your actions. Today I hunt and compete with thousands of self appointed rights based "hunters". Young Justin there in Ottawa...the guy with the nice hair...sealed the fate of large ungulates in my province. And we as hunters talk conservation. Meh...
 
Yeah, the liberal tree huggers are great conservationists, look at the BS Spring bear hunt ban of years past and the current wolf/coyote BS ban. Both were just loaded with scientific facts and reasoning.(if you count only the chicken chit emotional state of the pathetic wretches.)

Yep science of zoology at it's political best just like the BS environmental science about the manmade climate change.

We managed 5000 acres way better than the State and had higher harvest rates, body weight and antler size than the surrounding area in spite of much of "our " game being purposefully driven out of our property with dogs into the surrounding area.

BUT, we used the scientific data that we collected with our own funding and with no irrational emotion.

Liberalism, the scourage of the Earth in every single category and topic.

Ending the spring bear hunt was actually Mike Harris' government. The Liberals are who brought it back.
 
Ending the spring bear hunt was actually Mike Harris' government. The Liberals are who brought it back.

The spring bear hunt was done with political emotion and that was just one of the points plus there are also liberals in the Conservative party.

Same book different chapter with the libs and wolf/coyote. More emotional decision making.
 
I hunt because it is my heritage and my RIGHT....

My dad hunts & I own land...is hunting my heritage and right?

Question for "the spank": How do you decide which animal to shoot when hunting? I usually pass on dozens of deer (does, fawns, 2.5 yr old bucks before I even see a mature 3 yr old whitetail that isn't off a highway or on some farmers field that I could easily blast. Do you just shoot the first one you see? I also have seen many moose and elk while deer hunting but usually 1 moose for every 10 deer. Would you just blast the first moose you see or is there some strategy or management philosophy behind your hunting methods. Sounds to me like you just don't care what you shoot as long as your killing. I don't want guys like this is the bush with me. Hunting is a priviledge and one must have certain principles above and beyond what is legal to be a true hunter-conservationist. Why don't you want to make that next step into becoming one yourself?

"Superbrad" good on you for owning land but a 60 acre hunt camp would easily be depleted of game without a sound wildlife management methodology and principles. What are your principles that you guys follow to assure there is game available year after year? I also understand that the land adjoins 800 acres of crown. My land adjoins thousands of acres of private and public lands but I have to watch how I hunt because even large areas have delicate balances to maintain. And it just makes sense to be a good steward of the resource especially when you paid big bucks for it.
 
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Every year i get wildlife branch surveys.....wanting information on hunters actual success and time in the field. I do not comply...and i never will.

What i see of CO's is on the side of a numbered hyway pulling over any vehicle that looks like a hunter, and looking for any reason to write fine tickets. Simply revenue generation for the province, nothing to do with wildlife stewardship.

In searching for LEH info some years ago i stumbled upon a PDF document on what i thought was wildlife management. Instead it was about hunter "recruitment" and "retention". To use a americanizm....its all about the Benjamins.

If i can guess what the OP is talking about....perhaps shooting young bucks, immature bulls, even doe draws....best guess. This is simply more of the same. One does not sell a lot of hunting licenses and tags, thus revenue is down if some sort of hunting chance does not exist. Again it is about the Benjamins.....err agh Bordens.

What is needed is not a rant against a bent system, but a replacement of old managers, bureaucrats; and new regulations from wildlife that puts management and husbandry first. "Retention"and "recruitment" would take care of itself if the resource is what it should be...worldclass.
 
My dad hunts & I own land...is hunting my heritage and right?

Question for "the spank": How do you decide which animal to shoot when hunting? I usually pass on dozens of deer (does, fawns, 2.5 yr old bucks before I even see a mature 3 yr old whitetail that isn't off a highway or on some farmers field that I could easily blast. Do you just shoot the first one you see? I also have seen many moose and elk while deer hunting but usually 1 moose for every 10 deer. Would you just blast the first moose you see or is there some strategy or management philosophy behind your hunting methods. Sounds to me like you just don't care what you shoot as long as your killing. I don't want guys like this is the bush with me. Hunting is a priviledge and one must have certain principles above and beyond what is legal to be a true hunter-conservationist. Why don't you want to make that next step into becoming one yourself?

Actually I have shot only 1 deer to date. I really don't care much for venison so I rarely hunt deer. I went for a day in one of Deerdr's stands at his urging as he knew I wanted to take one with the Model 71 my Grandfather left me. Nostalgic reasons obviously. I have held a Moose bull tag twice in my life. Once in Ontario for WMU 41 and the only opportunity I had for a Moose that fall was a calf standing with the cow(calf was legal) less than 10 yards and I passed on the shot as I was afraid the bullet from my .356 would pass clean through the calf at that distance and take out the cow as well or yes I would have taken the calf. The other time was last year for the SK provincial forest region. The standard SK resident over the counter tag which I purchased as a just in case opportunity presented itself while grouse hunting. I have had other opportunities over the years to tag out and did not bother. As for hunting being a privilidge I could not disagree more. As nothing more than pure basic human behaviour hunting is MY RIGHT as is what I select to harvest but unfortunately I live in a society with people like yourself who feel the need to tell me it's not a right but a privilege. To that I say.....H:S:
 
the spank,
So you're disagreeing with me based on what sounds like limited hunting knowledge and experience. I have decades of experience in 2 provinces on private and public lands. I spend weeks in the sping scouting and shed antler hunting and then weeks in the fall hunting into places that I see few hunters, in hopes of unlocking a mature population, and harvesting a mature buck, which has the least negative effect on populations next to not shooting anything.

To take it further I own my own wildlife preserve and have a game management plan that I follow to ensure healthy, growing numbers of animals that have proper age structuring. Age structuring that would most closely be approximated in National Parks. I also spend dozens of hours researching game management techniques employed by the most successful wildlife managers in the world. Many of which are in Africa and United States. I also graduated from university and hold credentials like all the other so called wildlife experts that always tout their "doctored" status that somehow qualifies them to be a gameskeeper.

I have personally invested over six figures into wildlife conservation and yes all of this makes me an expert in the field. In many cases I have more practical experience than the men that manage your resource. I also am one of the few people who by the age of 32 can claim to live sustainably, as I own my home, my land, my vehicles, assets and have traded hundreds of thousands of my own dollars in the stock markets hundreds of times. So, yes, I do know what I'm talking about and have the knowledge and experience to back it all up.
 
. I don't want guys like this is the bush with me.




I have to say you needn't worry as I cannot imagine a much more unpleasant hunting experience than sharing a day afield with you. I would be inclined to much prefer being double booked on the same date for both a colonoscopy and root canal. I am sure it would be much more entertaining than trudging along with my .348 following a crown wearing zookeeper.
 
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the spank,
So you're disagreeing with me based on what sounds like limited hunting knowledge and experience. I have decades of experience in 2 provinces on private and public lands. I spend weeks in the sping scouting and shed antler hunting and then weeks in the fall hunting into places that I see few hunters, in hopes of unlocking a mature population, and harvesting a mature buck, which has the least negative effect on populations next to not shooting anything.

To take it further I own my own wildlife preserve and have a game management plan that I follow to ensure healthy, growing numbers of animals that have proper age structuring. Age structuring that would most closely be approximated in National Parks. I also spend dozens of hours researching game management techniques employed by the most successful wildlife managers in the world. Many of which are in Africa and United States. I also graduated from university and hold credentials like all the other so called wildlife experts that always tout their "doctored" status that somehow qualifies them to be a gameskeeper.

I have personally invested over six figures into wildlife conservation and yes all of this makes me an expert in the field. In many cases I have more practical experience than the men that manage your resource. I also am one of the few people who by the age of 32 can claim to live sustainably, as I own my home, my land, my vehicles, assets and have traded hundreds of thousands of my own dollars in the stock markets hundreds of times. So, yes, I do know what I'm talking about and have the knowledge and experience to back it all up.





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