We need to support Maxime Bernier

CPC membership purchased. I've been watching Bernier from the start, and like his policies. I think he is a strong choice to lead a CPC victory.

I do not liker O'Leary, both for who/what he is and especially b/c I do not think he would beat Trudeau. I believe O'Leary would push the undecided or neutral ground types over to Trudeau.
 
DT741 said:
And who is it ?

I've got Bernier and O'toole I'd vote for
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It's a preferential ballot so you get up to ten choices. When your first choice drops off the ballot then your vote is applied to your second choice candidate if he/she is still in the race. Bernier and O'Toole are my 1 and 2 but I haven't decided the order or whether I'll support someone else too.

There may be a dark horse entering the race. Nominations close on the 24th so there is still over a week to go. Candidates may also drop out until the end of March meaning the field may narrow before voting day.
 
dagarb said:
I like most (not all) of his policies. My hesitation is whether he can beat the left parties in the election. Political experience means political baggage, and some policies are risky in QC.

Does anyone have stats or something to say he has a shot in Quebec?
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The best predictor of the future, is the past.
Justin Trudeau 2015 to Present, Liberal, Papineau QC
Stephen Harper 2006-2015, CPC, Calgary SW, AB
Paul Martin 2003-2006, Liberal, Lasalle, QC
Jean Chretien, 1993-2003, Liberal, Saint Maurice, QC
Kim Campbell, 1993 (Summer job), PC, Vancouver, BC
Brian Mulroney, 1984-1993, PC, Charlevoix QC
Pierre Trudeau, 1980-1984, Liberal, Mount Royal, QC
Joe Clark, 1979-1980, PC, Yellowhead AB.
Pierre Trudeau, 1968-1979, Liberal, Mount Royal, QC

In 39 of the last 50 years, Canada's prime ministers have come from Quebec. I have not seen any polls looking at Bernier's electability in Quebec. But one thing you need to understand about Quebec is that it is a socially liberal, politically conservative province with a strong emphasis on national loyalty. All of these bode well for the Conservatives and for Bernier personally. The challenge with Quebec politics is that the National loyalty and identity sways being Canadian national identity and Quebec National Identity. Stephen Harper is unique amongst our last bunch of PMs in that he was able to win despite Quebec, and not because of it. Of all the political candidates, Bernier is the only one, in my opinion, who has a hope of grabbing traditional conservative Quebec voters away from the double speaking federalist but nation within a nation Liberals.


JR86 said:
Steven Blaney isn't a consideration? Seems like most of the candidates support firearms rights in one way or another
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All of the candidates know that gun owners are a good source of support, votes and cash, and would ignore us at their peril. We may or may not be particularly influential in a general election against the liberals, but at party level they would be foolish to not at least do their best to say something adverse to firearms ownership. Its easy points to talk a good game about respecting legal owners while being tough of criminals. But most candidates don't actually have a clue what the detailed issues are.

Before becoming public safety minister, Blaney didn't have a clue either. To his credit, he went out and did his CFSC/CRFSC, got his license, and started shooting. He listened very well to gun owners and stakeholders from across the spectrum, and not just his civil service advisors. His office was responsible for C42, and the tepid, minimalist approach to that bill is evidence of his commitment to fixing our gun laws. Even as the public safety minister, comprehensive reform was not in his wheel house. His English isn't great, but he is making great strides to improve it. He isn't a bad choice, but I don't think he would be able to effectively sell the party in the west. Prime Ministers really need to be fluent in both languages. Remember Stephane Dion? That's what a poor grasp of English can do to a party.

I would bet that if Bernier were elected leader, Blaney would be a contender for public safety minister again. If he were handed Bernier's proposed firearms reform mandate and told to get 'er done, I am sure we would be pleased with the result.
 
Claybuster said:
It's a preferential ballot so you get up to ten choices. When your first choice drops off the ballot then your vote is applied to your second choice candidate if he/she is still in the race. Bernier and O'Toole are my 1 and 2 but I haven't decided the order or whether I'll support someone else too.

There may be a dark horse entering the race. Nominations close on the 24th so there is still over a week to go. Candidates may also drop out until the end of March meaning the field may narrow before voting day.
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Thank you very much Mr Claybuster for the clarifications on this subject. In this case it would be better to put no1 and no2. Would there be any advantage in only putting one choice ?
 
I just bought my self 5 year conservative membership and a Ticket to CPC leadership race debate on the 28th in Edmonton. I am liking him more and more.
He is against C16 and he wants to actually make fire arms laws less convoluted. He is not perfect but he will do.
 
I just joingd a political party for the first time. Bernier is a strong #1 for me at the moment and O'Toole would be the #2.
As long as O'Leary doesn't get in....
 
joenl said:
Does not look like it. He says in his policy, what was prohib stays prohib
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If he was to turn it around it would be political suicide. Face it most people at best are ambivalent to guns and at worst openly hostile. Sure that can change with education but it isn't a lot of peoples cup of tea anyways. We couldn't get the support of all firearm owners in Canada to sign for the petition to get the AR unrestricted, why would we expect people who have no interest in guns to support anything similar. I doubt his plan is going to go even as far as he is promising. Maybe if we are lucky it won't get any worse. Hell the comment of controlling by function could end up meaning Semauto = restricted and he wouldn't be lying.
 
well that was fast, got a reply from Maxime, regarding a few things about his policy on firearms though he didn't go into Cc/Oc. he did state that Ar--10,15 would be removed from the restricted list, and how he also felt that length should have nothing to do with making a firearm prohibited. this is a gold standard for others wanting to be leader to show us there platform on firearms!
 
DT741 said:
Thank you very much Mr Claybuster for the clarifications on this subject. In this case it would be better to put no1 and no2. Would there be any advantage in only putting one choice ?
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Not from what I can see. Your second choice only comes into play if your first choice is eliminated. If you only vote for one then you have not indicated who you would support in the absence of your first choice.
 
coldfire said:
well that was fast, got a reply from Maxime, regarding a few things about his policy on firearms though he didn't go into Cc/Oc. he did state that Ar--10,15 would be removed from the restricted list, and how he also felt that length should have nothing to do with making a firearm prohibited. this is a gold standard for others wanting to be leader to show us there platform on firearms!
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Don't we already have OC for non-restricted firearms? Good luck exercising it though.
 
Claybuster said:
Not from what I can see. Your second choice only comes into play if your first choice is eliminated. If you only vote for one then you have not indicated who you would support in the absence of your first choice.
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Well got my card and convincing people to do the same. Next step gonna be 2019 by showing the door to the Trudeau's and making sure they understand they're not welcome ever again !! And get our boy in power.
 
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