We need to support Maxime Bernier

coldfire said:
well that was fast, got a reply from Maxime, regarding a few things about his policy on firearms though he didn't go into Cc/Oc. he did state that Ar--10,15 would be removed from the restricted list, and how he also felt that length should have nothing to do with making a firearm prohibited. this is a gold standard for others wanting to be leader to show us there platform on firearms!
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Can you share the text of the email with us?
 
This is his latest FB post....


Yesterday I announced a full firearms policy for Canada.

It would make many AR-15s non-restricted.

It would remove all magazine capacity limits.

It would take the power to reclassify firearms out of the RCMP and Cabinet, and make it so that all changes to classification require a change to the law, through the House of Commons and Senate.

And the media?

Not a chirp.

No news is good news.

It means that firearms are becoming less taboo in Canada.

And that’s a good thing.

Because we need rational discussion, not fiery emotions.

We need laws that make sense, and that are based on measurement and results.

Not laws based on fear.

It seems like the undeserved stigma against gun owners in Canada might finally be fading.

But freedom-lovers like myself can’t give up the fight.

Sincerely,

Maxime Bernier
 
Bernier has 0 chance of winning a general election. In Quebec he's a complete laughingstock. He's gonna lose ridings in Quebec compared to Harper 2015. His problem in Quebec is that we know him. The Joe Louis episode is still in everyone's memory. It's inconsequential but everyone has seen it and it made him look like what he is.

In Ontario he's also gonna lose a couple of seats compared to 2015. He's too far right for the GTA and the ottawa area, and it'll be the status quo in the less populated area.

His only hope would be a rise of the NDP in Ontario and Quebec (or a resurgence of the bloc in QC, but that won't happen) to take some votes from the liberals. Counting on one of your opponent to weaken the other is a losing strategy.

A bit of Quebec-bashing (which has started in this very thread) and it's an easy victory for the liberals in Ont, BC, sask, mani and atlantic. Every close call of 2015 will go red if Bernier is leading the pcc.
 
Farmboy said:
This is his latest FB post....

And the media?

Not a chirp.

No news is good news.

It means that firearms are becoming less taboo in Canada.
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Seriously? I think the defeaning silence means the canadians hired a new coach and the rest of canada couldn't care any less about bernier.
 
I like many of his proposals, though the one about reimbursing firearms owners for losses in the past seemed a but much. I say this comparing it to other issues where the government seems to want to pay damages for things that happened 2 generations ago. How should the 2017 taxpayer be paying for residential school mistakes of the 1960's? As a general precedent I don't like it, just as I don't like forking over taxes to say 'sorry' for governmental mistakes from before I was the age to vote or campaign about the matter at hand, never mind even born at all.

So far I'm liking the guy, and with his French name he will experience less prejudice from Quebec voters, not that there's any prejudice against the west there........... Then again having read some more posts in this thread I was not aware of how they might already view him there........
 
VinnyQC said:
Bernier has 0 chance of winning a general election. In Quebec he's a complete laughingstock. He's gonna lose ridings in Quebec compared to Harper 2015. His problem in Quebec is that we know him. The Joe Louis episode is still in everyone's memory. It's inconsequential but everyone has seen it and it made him look like what he is.

In Ontario he's also gonna lose a couple of seats compared to 2015. He's too far right for the GTA and the ottawa area, and it'll be the status quo in the less populated area.

His only hope would be a rise of the NDP in Ontario and Quebec (or a resurgence of the bloc in QC, but that won't happen) to take some votes from the liberals. Counting on one of your opponent to weaken the other is a losing strategy.

A bit of Quebec-bashing (which has started in this very thread) and it's an easy victory for the liberals in Ont, BC, sask, mani and atlantic. Every close call of 2015 will go red if Bernier is leading the pcc.
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easy victory for the liberals in Sask you say?

no.
 
scopecut said:
Job numbers aren't going down? Full time positions being replaced with part time service and temp work. Also the main #####ing about voter fraud was done by the Democrats after Trump won.
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Full time jobs in Canada by recent year (2012 to 2016): 14,133.2 14,314.2 14,369.9 14,559.3 14,612.2 (thousands)
Part time jobs in Canada by recent year (2012 to 2016): 3,304.7 3,376.9 3,432.3 3,387.3 3,467.7 (again, this is thousands)
Source: StatsCan. http://www.statcan.gc.ca/tables-tableaux/sum-som/l01/cst01/labor12-eng.htm

You are totally right. We are losing so many jobs....

As for voter fraud...

Trump has called for an investigation into voter fraud, claiming between 3 and 5 million illegal votes were cast, and thats the only reason he lost the popular vote. And yet there is absolutely ZERO evidence of widespread voter fraud.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...r-investigation-into-alleged-voter-fraud.html

http://www.cnn.com/2017/02/12/politics/stephen-miller-trump-voter-fraud/

https://www.apnews.com/d7ed5c6a7c70...:-Trump-aide-pushes-false-story-of-vote-fraud


Farmboy said:
This is his latest FB post....


Yesterday I announced a full firearms policy for Canada.

It would make many AR-15s non-restricted.

It would remove all magazine capacity limits.

It would take the power to reclassify firearms out of the RCMP and Cabinet, and make it so that all changes to classification require a change to the law, through the House of Commons and Senate.

And the media?

Not a chirp.

No news is good news.

It means that firearms are becoming less taboo in Canada.

And that’s a good thing.

Because we need rational discussion, not fiery emotions.

We need laws that make sense, and that are based on measurement and results.

Not laws based on fear.

It seems like the undeserved stigma against gun owners in Canada might finally be fading.

But freedom-lovers like myself can’t give up the fight.

Sincerely,

Maxime Bernier
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Thats what Trudeau promised us right? Fact based legislation? lol
 
wheels said:
easy victory for the liberals in Sask you say?

no.
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Easy national victory because he can't turn any more riding blue than harper did in 2015. In sask and everywhere else.

It's not like sask had any importance anyway. Elections are won and lost in Ontario.
 
Just donated $35 to Maxime. I believe he can deliver a majority of the 70-odd seats in Québec.

So, now if we can only get the guys/gals who will spend a fortune on guns and gear, but are too cheap to pony up a CPC membership and a contribution to someone (Maxime, in my opinion) who will stand up for us, to step up.

This will probably piss some people off and they will (as usual) have reasons to rationalize/justify their 'cheapness', but I can handle it 'cause I can see thru them. They know who they are.
 
VinnyQC said:
Bernier has 0 chance of winning a general election. In Quebec he's a complete laughingstock. He's gonna lose ridings in Quebec compared to Harper 2015. His problem in Quebec is that we know him. The Joe Louis episode is still in everyone's memory. It's inconsequential but everyone has seen it and it made him look like what he is.

In Ontario he's also gonna lose a couple of seats compared to 2015. He's too far right for the GTA and the ottawa area, and it'll be the status quo in the less populated area.

His only hope would be a rise of the NDP in Ontario and Quebec (or a resurgence of the bloc in QC, but that won't happen) to take some votes from the liberals. Counting on one of your opponent to weaken the other is a losing strategy.

A bit of Quebec-bashing (which has started in this very thread) and it's an easy victory for the liberals in Ont, BC, sask, mani and atlantic. Every close call of 2015 will go red if Bernier is leading the pcc.
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Seriously? You think the Joe Louis thing from a decade ago is going to make a difference? Ridiculous.
It would be reasonable to question whether Quebecers have an appetite for a "small government libertarian", but not bringing up silly stuff like that.

I'm not saying he's a sure-win candidate, but the win or loss, whoever is chosen, will depend on what happens from 2017 May until the election in 2019, not ancient history from a decade ago.
 
TJspeller said:
Seriously? You think the Joe Louis thing from a decade ago is going to make a difference? Ridiculous.
It would be reasonable to question whether Quebecers have an appetite for a "small government libertarian", but not bringing up silly stuff like that.

I'm not saying he's a sure-win candidate, but the win or loss, whoever is chosen, will depend on what happens from 2017 May until the election in 2019, not ancient history from a decade ago.
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There is next to 0 appetite in Quebec for libertarian government. In about 65 out of 75 ridings, it disqualifies you before the race even begins. Thinking that Bernier can "deliver" quebec in these conditions is laughable.

In Quebec, Bernier is known for the Joe Louis incident, the HA girlfriend, and the secret document fiasco. Politically, he's a walking catch-22: either he promotes a right-wing libertarian platform with which nobody agrees in Quebec (except for a few ridings in the south and around Quebec city) or he keeps it low profile and stays known for the aforementionned fiascos. If you don't believe a liberal campaign wouldn't bring back the videos of this guy insulting members of our armed forces with his f... joe louis I don't think you've been following the news the last 10 years. The only road to victory is a massive amount of ridings in ontario.

The reason I believe this guy will never win is because I know him personnaly. His dad was a smart guy.

Anyway, if I was at the pcc, I'd be preparing the 2023 elections, not the 2019. By then Trudeau will be a washed-up has-been, voters will be tired of his whole government, the NPD will be taking votes from them; it'll be the right time to beat them. But unless someone really drops the ball in the next 2 years, it'll be really hard for the conservative to win the election. And it won't happen with quebec ridings, which I believe Bernier can't deliver anyway.
 
I like O'Leary's experience with money management and an economic overhaul is needed. However, I am not sire I like hisnflip-flippiness on issues.

Bernier seems like a decent candidate but he still isn't fully listening to gun owners. Handguns should not be prohib, period - to start.
 
VinnyQC said:
There is next to 0 appetite in Quebec for libertarian government. In about 65 out of 75 ridings, it disqualifies you before the race even begins. Thinking that Bernier can "deliver" quebec in these conditions is laughable.

In Quebec, Bernier is known for the Joe Louis incident, the HA girlfriend, and the secret document fiasco. Politically, he's a walking catch-22: either he promotes a right-wing libertarian platform with which nobody agrees in Quebec (except for a few ridings in the south and around Quebec city) or he keeps it low profile and stays known for the aforementionned fiascos. If you don't believe a liberal campaign wouldn't bring back the videos of this guy insulting members of our armed forces with his f... joe louis I don't think you've been following the news the last 10 years. The only road to victory is a massive amount of ridings in ontario.

The reason I believe this guy will never win is because I know him personnaly. His dad was a smart guy.

Anyway, if I was at the pcc, I'd be preparing the 2023 elections, not the 2019. By then Trudeau will be a washed-up has-been, voters will be tired of his whole government, the NPD will be taking votes from them; it'll be the right time to beat them. But unless someone really drops the ball in the next 2 years, it'll be really hard for the conservative to win the election. And it won't happen with quebec ridings, which I believe Bernier can't deliver anyway.
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Keep in mind, that a small libertarian FEDERAL government, leaves more room for the power and influence of the Quebec Provincial Government. Quebecers certainly don't believe in small government, or a lack of government influence in their lives, but most Quebecers would like to see greater influence at the provincial level, with less Federal intrusion into Quebec politics.

In that context, Bernier could be very popular indeed.
 
Jericho said:
I like O'Leary's experience with money management and an economic overhaul is needed. However, I am not sire I like hisnflip-flippiness on issues.

Bernier seems like a decent candidate but he still isn't fully listening to gun owners. Handguns should not be prohib, period - to start.
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Bernier has agreed to enact the CSSAs simplified classification system which would see all non full auto handguns, regardless of barrel length, classified as restricted.
 
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