Weatherby ammo costs how much?!
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nowarningshot
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Every Weatherby caliber is going to be faster and hit harder. In the 257 Roy it is in the range of 150-200 ft/sec above a 25-06. Better trajectory, point blank range, animals go bang flop further from the bang.
I have seen people on the forums buy a 243 and instantly talk about making it 243 AI. I dont understand this, (other than being a gun nut and because they can) just buy a 6mm rem. Why buy a 308 and try to get 30-06 performance, just buy the 30-06. It is like trying to hit a 4 iron to the 250 yard par 3, when you know it is a wood.
Many years ago the Weatherby calibers were it for super magnum performance over standard calibers. For example the 300 Weatherby was a big step up over 300 Wm, now we have many other choices, the 300 Rum in that case.
I have seen people on the forums buy a 243 and instantly talk about making it 243 AI. I dont understand this, (other than being a gun nut and because they can) just buy a 6mm rem. Why buy a 308 and try to get 30-06 performance, just buy the 30-06. It is like trying to hit a 4 iron to the 250 yard par 3, when you know it is a wood.
Many years ago the Weatherby calibers were it for super magnum performance over standard calibers. For example the 300 Weatherby was a big step up over 300 Wm, now we have many other choices, the 300 Rum in that case.
CreamySmooth
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There's more "awesome" in a Weatherby. That's why Chuck Norris shoots a Weatherby.
Shame isn't it. I'd love a nice tight rifle with a beautiful stock and a massive cartridge.
Unfortunately I can't afford it and I'm probably too small to shoot the magnums.
I think a really nice rimfire with a top grade walnut stock and beautiful old fashioned bluing job would be about right for me these days. Nothing like a nice little rifle to really make you feel like you've pulled it right into your line of sight.
Unfortunately I can't afford it and I'm probably too small to shoot the magnums.
I think a really nice rimfire with a top grade walnut stock and beautiful old fashioned bluing job would be about right for me these days. Nothing like a nice little rifle to really make you feel like you've pulled it right into your line of sight.
BigUglyMan
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Start shooting really big rifles and get back to us. Try $200 per box for 416 Rigby or $230 for ten rounds of 470NE.
It may have been that way at one time, but that isn't the case now. In the .284" class, there are a few cartridges that are ballistically superior, the 7mmRUM, and 7mmSTW to name a couple. Lazzeroni tops Weatherby in several calibers.
Empty Norma brass runs cheaper than that, not the rebranded Weatherby stuff. I reload for my 257, it makes it way more affordable. And still, $45 per box isn't all that bad unless you've never bought anything other than the cheapest Winchester or Federal boxes. My buddy is shooting factory Berger cartridges out of his 300 WSM that set him back way more than my Weatherby does. All that money and the Bergers are disintegrating when they hit deer.....makes a helluva mess, he shoulda got a Weatherby.
I'm convinced Lazzeroni is secretly a cabal made up of every rifle manufacturer with the express purpose of getting us to blow up our rifles.
Their ammunition is firmly in the "wtf" realm of ballistic performance.
...anybody shoot it?
how about 10rnds of 700 Nitro Express for 500$
50$ a shot
https://nyatiinc.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35&product_id=89
50$ a shot
https://nyatiinc.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=35&product_id=89
Maybe thirty years ago they were a big step ahead but today very few are that big of a deal. Example .270weatherby. .270WSM is much cheaper and mirrors performance. The .300weatherby is hardly a big step ahead of the .300win. both loaded to 65000psi there is hardly a lick of difference. The only reason many are surviving is because of loading them in the vanguard. IMHO
IMO that's not really true. They. Do have a significant performance boost over the mainstream cartridges. It is not always percieved in loading manuals, because the weatherbys are hardly ever loaded to top levels. With the 9. Lug mark V action they are able to handle significantly more powerful loads. The Weatherby lineup survives because of the Mark V rifles. The vanguards are great rifles, but if they were not around it would not hurt the cartridge lineup.
One thing to note, I have found factory produced Weatherby ammunition that claims to be 200 fps faster in a 26" barrel than the max loads in my loading manuals with the same bullet weights. It would seem to substantiate your claim a bit, though I never ran them through a chrono to check.
As for the Weatherby loads dying out, there's a loyal following that's simply too big for any newfangled cartridge to extinguish. They are recently more popular due expressly to the Vanguard though. And despite it also being chambered in various WSM calibers as well as 300 Win and 7MM Rem magnums, the Weatherby chamberings remain popular. The RUM's are right up there velocity wise but I'm simply not seeing many on the shelves, and the Lazzeronis and most of the other big whiz bangs seem to remain rather unavailable in factory rifles, especially those coming in at a value point like the Vanguard or even the basic MkV Sporters.
Today Weatherby's cartridges are overshadowed by newer cartridges in almost every caliber, but when they were introduced they were a quantum leap forward in every single caliber Roy made them in. Think about it, the 300 Wby's only counterpart at it's introduction and commercialization was the 300 H&H, the 257 Wby, even today is without commercial peers, as is the 270 Wby. Now look back to their introduction dates and see what was around then.......250 Sav, 270 Win.........the 25-06 was a long way from commercialization and the WSM unthought of for decades yet. The 7mm Wby came along in the mid 40s and was the only 7mm to be commercialized of all the wildcats and reigned the supreme 7mm for nearly 20 years before even the 280 Rem hit and the 7mm RM. All this time it's only commercial counterpart was the 280 Ross and 7X57, neither of which was popular in the US. The 340 came along just 4 1/2 years after the 338 and has massively overshadowed it since it's introduction, now step up to the 338-378 which Wby factory offers along with ammo and it makes the 338 Lapua look fairly anemic.
Roy Weatherby was the man who put speed into rifle cartridges and understood the advantages of higher velocities...........he was to the firearms industry what Enso was to the auto industry.
Why do they cost more? No manufacturer in NA would load his cartridges to his specified velocities so he went to Sweden.....Norma....who agreed and so his ammo cost a lot more to produce and ship to NA than the local manufacturers. He also spent a lot more on packaging and marketing his ammo back in the day, and he patented and held proprietary rights to his cartridge design and production for more than 40 years. The short of it is Roy Weatherby spent a lot more money getting his ammo to market so it cost a lot more........but by the same token he was giving much, much more ballistically and therefore could justify the added expense to sell his rifles and ammo, because they were without peers back in the day.........no one even came close!!!
Roy Weatherby was the man who put speed into rifle cartridges and understood the advantages of higher velocities...........he was to the firearms industry what Enso was to the auto industry.
Why do they cost more? No manufacturer in NA would load his cartridges to his specified velocities so he went to Sweden.....Norma....who agreed and so his ammo cost a lot more to produce and ship to NA than the local manufacturers. He also spent a lot more on packaging and marketing his ammo back in the day, and he patented and held proprietary rights to his cartridge design and production for more than 40 years. The short of it is Roy Weatherby spent a lot more money getting his ammo to market so it cost a lot more........but by the same token he was giving much, much more ballistically and therefore could justify the added expense to sell his rifles and ammo, because they were without peers back in the day.........no one even came close!!!
hifiwasabi
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I do see the merit of the speed and energy advances of the roys over standard calibers, but it still boggles the mind. I'm glad I'm not entirely alone on the issue of price point, and in response to the 416's and 700's, I've got a whole bag of nope for the recoil and car payment for the ammunition. What's the interest rate on financing a box of 700 NE anyways?
Sean
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Like cars; going fast costs money, how fast do you want to go? - dan
I bought the same ammo a couple of months ago before the price went up.
Paid $38.99 a box.
Empty Wby brass was $42.99 for 20 pcs.
Pretty bad when loaded ammo is cheaper than empty brass!
