weatherby vanguard detached mag kits?

Prophet River has free shipping and no tax right now if you decide to go for it.
I'm still on the fence ..they seem to work fine, just ATI quality.
 
I had one for a short period of time. Wasn't a fan, mag seemed to be a sloppy fit but most of all just couldn't get myself to love a big chunk of plastic on such a solid well built rifle. But yes....they do work. Would be nice to see some more aftermarket stuff for the vanguards. A nicely machined stainless and or aluminum bottom metal would be a nice place to start....to replace the fake stainless ones I currently have on my series 1. It's just pot metal and the silver paint is starting to peel off.
 
hookedonblacktail said:
I had one for a short period of time. Wasn't a fan, mag seemed to be a sloppy fit but most of all just couldn't get myself to love a big chunk of plastic on such a solid well built rifle. But yes....they do work. Would be nice to see some more aftermarket stuff for the vanguards. A nicely machined stainless and or aluminum bottom metal would be a nice place to start....to replace the fake stainless ones I currently have on my series 1. It's just pot metal and the silver paint is starting to peel off.
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These guys make em....not sure how to get them up here though.
http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/204-howa-rifle-performance-parts
 
I got the sporter DBM so it came with a detachable mag not a kit. To do it over again I wouldn't get the detachable mag after having a little incident while hunting. The mag release is in a terrible spot I got up in my tree stand, rested the rifle on the rail next thing "thunk" mag fell out! It was precariously hung up on the blind skirt and I had to tenderly retrieve it so as not to drop it down into the shin deep water below me... Otherwise the mag works fine and no problems at the range with it.
 
The aftermarket LSI conversion kits come with either a 5 or 10 round mag.

So even the 5 round mag stands "pretty proud" of the stock.

If you get a DBM model right from Wby the mag only holds 3 rounds. Factory kits are available in the US right from Wby, might be something you could source through IRunGuns (or the like) - and as noted Prophet River does sell the LSI kits.

I have "both" - my 25.06 came with factory DBM. I added an LSI kit to my 243 (Wby does not make DBM short actions). I thought that I wanted a removable mag for so many reasons.

While I still use it, in the end (cost, shipping, etc) it cost me about $150 bucks to figure out that it really isn't that much more convenient "in my circumstance", so neither of my other two Vanguard II floor plates have been converted.

But, to your question. Do they function well (the LSI's) - yes, work fine. Went in without an issue. Feed well - like I said, only complaint is the 3/4" of mag sticking under the stock - can hang up/be "pesky" if you are trying to shoot over a log, rail etc and "feels funny" if you are doing a "trail carry".

I decided that if I couldn't get the factory DBM kit, in future I wouldn't bother with a DBM.
 
galamb said:
The aftermarket LSI conversion kits come with either a 5 or 10 round mag.

So even the 5 round mag stands "pretty proud" of the stock.

If you get a DBM model right from Wby the mag only holds 3 rounds. Factory kits are available in the US right from Wby, might be something you could source through IRunGuns (or the like) - and as noted Prophet River does sell the LSI kits.

I have "both" - my 25.06 came with factory DBM. I added an LSI kit to my 243 (Wby does not make DBM short actions). I thought that I wanted a removable mag for so many reasons.

While I still use it, in the end (cost, shipping, etc) it cost me about $150 bucks to figure out that it really isn't that much more convenient "in my circumstance", so neither of my other two Vanguard II floor plates have been converted.

But, to your question. Do they function well (the LSI's) - yes, work fine. Went in without an issue. Feed well - like I said, only complaint is the 3/4" of mag sticking under the stock - can hang up/be "pesky" if you are trying to shoot over a log, rail etc and "feels funny" if you are doing a "trail carry".

I decided that if I couldn't get the factory DBM kit, in future I wouldn't bother with a DBM.
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I'm confused, are the ones from weatherby metal?
 
I don't mean to hijack this thread by any means but I'm curious about something as I'm getting ready to purchase my first bolt action rifle.. What exactly is the difference in a blind mag and just having a flood plate? Again I'm green to the world of bolt actions so be kind ha
 
A "blind mag" is totally enclosed in the (stock) - you load through the top (open the bolt, push in the shells) and to "unload" you have to eject them, one at a time, by operating the bolt and "spitting them out" (just like if they were fired and you were only ejecting the empty case).

With a floor plate you "push a button" and the "floor plate" pops open and dumps all the shells out of the bottom - still loads the same way (through the top with bolt open), but unloads quickly.

The mag is absolutely the most convenient - you can load/unload (or not - can leave it loaded up between shooting sessions), simply snap it in and off you go - but like anything "mechanical" - every extra part or extra moving part is a potential point of failure - and usually when you have walked in 3 hours from the road and the nearest place that can fix/replace it is 10 hours drive from the 3 hour walk back to where you parked :)
 
galamb said:
A "blind mag" is totally enclosed in the (stock) - you load through the top (open the bolt, push in the shells) and to "unload" you have to eject them, one at a time, by operating the bolt and "spitting them out" (just like if they were fired and you were only ejecting the empty case).

With a floor plate you "push a button" and the "floor plate" pops open and dumps all the shells out of the bottom - still loads the same way (through the top with bolt open), but unloads quickly.

The mag is absolutely the most convenient - you can load/unload (or not - can leave it loaded up between shooting sessions), simply snap it in and off you go - but like anything "mechanical" - every extra part or extra moving part is a potential point of failure - and usually when you have walked in 3 hours from the road and the nearest place that can fix/replace it is 10 hours drive from the 3 hour walk back to where you parked :)
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Thank you very much for the info, appreciate it! Am I right in assuming that as long as you've got a floor plate you can get a DBM for said rifle?
 
I've got the Weatherby branded detach mag kit. went in fine, but didn't feed until I did a smidge of grinding on the mag lips, now it's flawless. The trigger guard is child-size small, which is weird.

I *also* have the PTG DBM Hitzy linked. It is beautifully made, weighs a metric ton, and took a great deal of inletting to fit. PM for the method of obtaining one.

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OneInTheChamber said:
Thank you very much for the info, appreciate it! Am I right in assuming that as long as you've got a floor plate you can get a DBM for said rifle?
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Maybe - there is some aftermarket kits for Vanguard/Howa 1500's and just recently there is (lower priced) options for Rem 700's. If you have very deep pockets there is kits available for just about everything, but in some cases you aren't going to do a 350 dollar conversion on a 400 dollar rifle.

Just about all the major mfg's offer rifles with detachable mags from factory so if you think you will ever want one, that is the way to go - buy it "up front", it's always the most cost effective and will absolutely work without "minor fitting" issues.
 
I had a kit for a 270 vanguard bought an extra mag as well, one of the mags would not feed the third round, I had to take the mag apart and stretch the spring, the only reason I bought the kit was to shave some weight off the rifle, If I ever had another Vanguard I would probably stick with the floor plate.
 
galamb said:
Maybe - there is some aftermarket kits for Vanguard/Howa 1500's and just recently there is (lower priced) options for Rem 700's. If you have very deep pockets there is kits available for just about everything, but in some cases you aren't going to do a 350 dollar conversion on a 400 dollar rifle.o

Just about all the major mfg's offer rifles with detachable mags from factory so if you think you will ever want one, that is the way to go - buy it "up front", it's always the most cost effective and will absolutely work without "minor fitting" issues.
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Yeah that's what I was thinking as well, going to handle a couple rifles now throughout the week and see which I like better. In your opinion, DBM or no?
 
I have four Vanguard II's.

One came with the factory DBM (25.06) - I like that and if the option is available from factory I would buy that again.

One I converted with the LSI kit (243) - I would NOT go that route again - the mag (5 round) sticks out way too far "for how I use it", but since I chucked 150 bucks for it I can't bring myself to pull the thing :)

My other two (257 Wby and 7.08) have the floorplate (factory) mags - I do not see it as a handi-cap with either rifle.

Now if I hopped from place to place - so gun in and out of the back of the truck, constantly loading and unloading the DBM would be a definite advantage, and even though I'm not super happy with the LSI conversion, since I use that rifle for varmints as well as deer, when hunting Yotes with it, it was "handy" to have the second mag ready to go. But now I use a 223 (DBM) for Coyote's, so the reason for the conversion does not exist anymore - and you don't need a "second mag" for deer unless you are a "super bad shot" :)

But given that my hunting rifles are (generally) loaded when I go out for the day and unloaded for the trip home (or whatever), having the floor plate is NOT a great hassle "for me" - it's certainly not a 150 buck, plus tax and shipping "hassle".
 
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