Webley No 5 cal. 360 antique ?

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From my Dad's and Uncles guns, a Webley NO. 5, 360 cal.This has always been registered as prohibited, I think it should be an antique, made before 1898 and caliber is 360. Can you guys help me, what is the deal on getting this
deregistered. Thanks for all help. whether I sell it or keep, I want it in the right category. I have wore out my computer skills this morning and searched every thing Webley that i can find, and can not find any mention of the No 5 with that bobbed hammer and no sights. One other question , it does have hole in butt for ring, I wonder was it supposed to have one. I will appreciate any comments and or any advice on getting it to antique status Thanks John

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PM Sent !
This was for a person that wanted a fast pull out gun for close range work.
I like it the way it looks.
 
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Jack, the .360 Number 5 is the name of the CARTRIDGE. It originated about 1875 and was very popular in short garden-type Rook rifles, less so in revolvers.

It never seems to have been very popular in revolvers, largely due to size; the Army wanted a real man-stopper (and got it) but the general populace wanted something small and easily-carried..... and they got it. The poor .360 Number 5 was right in the middle. The result was a few pocket-size cannons such as yours.

Ammo was available in Revolver and Rifle Black Powder loads and Smokeless-for-Black Rifle loads. The BP Revolver load pushed a 125-grain lead bullet at about 1050 ft/sec from the long Rifle barrel; it was somewhat more sedate from a snubbie, of course. Dimensionally, the casing was pretty close to a .38 Long Colt, so you should be able to find something which can be reworked to fit.

As to new firearms, this was pretty much a dead number by the end of the Great War, although ammo for the rifles still in use (with those horrid Berdan primers) continued to be made by Kynoch until the 1960s.

NICE old piece!

Hope this helps.
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I think it's a Webley N05 civilian version with the short 2.75 inch barrel. FRT says that some examples with lower SN are considered antique but Dingus knows more I guess
 
38 Long or Short Colt should chamber just fine. And 38 Special might chamber in a well used chamber hole. But even if the Special case chambers, chances are the rim will be too thick and hangup the cylinder. Of course we want to stay at very low pressure loads with this neat historic revolver.

Nice piece BTW.
 
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38 Long or Short Colt should chamber just fine. And 38 Special might chamber in a well used chamber hole. But even if the Special case chambers, chances are the rim will be too thick and hangup the cylinder. Of course we want to stay at very low pressure loads with this neat historic revolver.

Nice piece BTW.
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38 special is not recommended since the bullets are .356 compared to .376 of long and short colt. I don't think 38 long and short Colt fits anyway, just the bullets, you have to play which brass to use. I have on in that caliber and that's what I remember.
 
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I told him its Antique and it is.
I have had a couple with higher ser#s but mine came in from the USA as lettered antiques not deregistered guns.
I cant see them not deregistering it but it takes time is all sometimes fast sometimes takes guys months.
make sure you send clear pictures is the most important part.
Its clearly marked 360 and has a pre 1898 Cylinder designe in the church steepled cylinder flutes.

Dont forget its not what happens to fit in the chambers as fas as antiques go its what the gun is chambered in and being as 360 is not on the no list its a OK caliber and if a no caliber like 38 S&W or 38 long colt happen to fit nice thats not your problem as long as the chambers are not altered to fit them.
 
Thank you all very much for the replies, I think I will go ahead and try to get it de registered . My barrel is 3 inches or 76mm , has absolutely no provision for front sight , it does not look cut and is nickled , the hammer also looks to be factory bobbed, nickled as well, has anyone ever seen a pic or a description of one like this You guys have nice guns too, Ganderite are you saying it took about a month to get the procedure done. Did you start by phoning firearms center or? Thanks much. John
 
I started by sending a email to Rita, requesting the gun be de-registered as an antique. She wanted pictures and the Cert #.

Rita Beauchamp <rita.beauchamp@rcmp-grc.gc.ca>

Several other #5 owners preceded me,so it is getting easier and faster.
 
Thanks again for all the help, and Ganderrite, it's a done deal took your advice and e-mailed Rita--- all taken care of , she will be mailing me a letter, The little Webley now has antique status.
 
Got my letter today on the little Webley. I really like this picture :) Thanks guys, never would of gotten around to it or gotten this done with out you. So I've always known 38 specials chamber in this gun , no problem with the rim, Do i just go shoot it with some wadcutters, I have loaded with I think 3 grains 452, or do I start lighter or do I make up some black powder loads and find a bullet that maybe fits the bore. Those church steeple flutes don't look so strong :eek:


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Hollow base wadcutters might expand enough, with a soft enough skirt, to fill the rifling and obtain some kind of spin to enhance accuracy in the .375-.376 diameter bore. Should be good enough for 20-25 yard paper punching. But it's a toss up at longer distances though.
Gee, for some reason I know this for a fact.
 
I am sure you guys have gone all through this, so don't laugh at me and bear with me. I tried some 38 S&W this morning and I think it's a much better chamber fit, i can't find a 38 long colt ctg in my junk, anyways comparing dimensions of 360 to 38 spec, I really think it would be better to find some long colt or shoot a 38 s&w for my first try. I am thinking accuracy will not be too great anyway, poker table or bar fight quality :eek:

.360 No. 5 Revolver

Other Names
.360 No. 5 Revolver
.360 No. 5 Rook
.360 No. 5-18-125
9.25 x 26.5 R.360/No. 5
9.3 x 26.5
.360 No. 5 Revolver


inches


mm
Rim Diameter 0.432 11.0
Base Diameter 0.380 9.7
Neck Diameter 0.376 9.6
Case Length 1.050 26.7
Bullet Diameter 0.360 9.1


Country of Origin: United Kingdom
Approximate Dates: 1878 to 1962
Designer: The designer is unknown

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Manufacturer: There were many manufacturers such as Kynoch and Eley.
Historical Data: It is not known exactly when or whom developed the .360 No. 5 Rook or Revolver cartridge. Because of the cartridge's dual naming the situtation is confused. It was used in British revolvers and was even used at a match at Wimbledon in 1878.
The .360 No. 5 cartridge is found in a number of different loadings from lead round nosed bullets, hollow point, shot, and blanks. Bill Fleming lists 17 different variations in bullet and powder. Black powder, Cordite, Axite and Revolver Neonite by Nobel was used to load the cartridges. Both Eley and Kynoch manufactured the cartridge.
Notes and Sources: Dixon, W. B., European Sporting Cartridges
Fleming, Bill, British Sporting Rifle Cartridges
Nobel Industries Limited, Sporting Ammunition, (Kynoch - Eley), 1925
Hoyem, George, The History and Development of Small Arms Ammunition, Vol. 3, 1982


Bullet Weight Bullet Type Velocity Powder Powder Weight Company
82 grains Lead, RN black 9.3 grains Cogswell & Harrison
145 grains Lead, RN 1030 fps smokeless 5 grains Kynoch
145 grains Lead, HP 1030 fps smokelsee 5 grains Kynoch
134 grains Lead, RN 1030 fps black 15 grains Kynoch
134 grains Lead, HP 1030 fps black 15 grains Kynoch
125 grains Lead, RN 1050 fps black 16 grains Kynoch

Data taken from Kynoch and Eley catalogs. Not responsible for loading data. Use at your own risk
 
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