Welcome to the ATF SBR-9 restricted FRT 197619

At this point I am going to call bull#### on this one, and here are the reasons:

1. A few months ago, I had inquired at the store about these, and was told that they were literally flying off the shelves in Arizona. YET, I see no videos online about them and no mention anywhere else. Also, if they were sold in the US then they would be considered SBR and need a permit(stamp).

2. Looking att the renderings, the grip and therefore the magazine would be forward of the loading ramp. Correct me if I'm wrong.

3. It clearly states that it would take Glock 17 parts, yet a Glock slide would be inside of this frame, but the slide locks look as if they are regular glock ones, so I fait to see how that works.

4. Unsure of this one, but the frt does not show up on the public database, can some one confirm if it shows up on the other?
 
Focus909 said:
At this point I am going to call bull#### on this one, and here are the reasons:

1. A few months ago, I had inquired at the store about these, and was told that they were literally flying off the shelves in Arizona. YET, I see no videos online about them and no mention anywhere else. Also, if they were sold in the US then they would be considered SBR and need a permit(stamp).

2. Looking att the renderings, the grip and therefore the magazine would be forward of the loading ramp. Correct me if I'm wrong.

3. It clearly states that it would take Glock 17 parts, yet a Glock slide would be inside of this frame, but the slide locks look as if they are regular glock ones, so I fait to see how that works.

4. Unsure of this one, but the frt does not show up on the public database, can some one confirm if it shows up on the other?
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For point 2 uhhhhhh cheif that mag forward of the pistol grip is an extra, you can literally see the mag in the pistol grip, iirc state side mag holders like that dont count as VFGs and dont go against the "No VFG on pistols" in the NFA
For point 3 see above, you dropped your bananas you bonobo you.
As for the FRT Armalytic hasnt updated in a very longtime now but if you take the time to download the one off the RCMP website and CTRL+F "197619" and wait the 20 minutes it does pull up, either way UHHHH someone go wake up the Armalytics team and get them to start updating again.

2/10 I r8 bad b8 also reddit spacing , see me after class.
 
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Ceiferiro said:
For point 2 uhhhhhh cheif that mag forward of the pistol grip is an extra, you can literally see the mag in the pistol grip, iirc state side mag holders like that dont count as VFGs and dont go against the "No VFG on pistols" in the NFA
For point 3 see above, you dropped your bananas you bonobo you.
As for the FRT Armalytic hasnt updated in a very longtime now but if you take the time to download the one off the RCMP website and CTRL+F "197619" and wait the 20 minutes it does pull up, either way UHHHH someone go wake up the Armalytics team and get them to start updating again.

2/10 I r8 bad b8 also reddit spacing , see me after class.
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I wasn't talking of the mag in the forward grip but the one that feeds the firearm, in the grip. The bullets look as if they would be forward of the feed ramp.
 
Dnu69 said:
Why do I feel like this will get banned before it even hits the market. As much as I want one isn’t it going to get caught up in all the crap going on? What am I missing?
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Speculation on my part, but I imagine IRG may be hedging their investment on something beyond what is (exclusively) copium for the Canadian market? Specifically: if a firearm has merit, it has merit in particular US states also. From what can be seen of the design prototype the SBR-9 may be just-one possible implementation of a "platform" that leverages an existing platform (G17) and is capable of multiple implementations. If so the overall market opportunity is quite broad and may be able to adapt to future "theatre"?
 
They aren’t listed on the website. Order information?

Restricted
Glock magazines
MLOK

Sounds like a good option.
 
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Focus909 said:
I wasn't talking of the mag in the forward grip but the one that feeds the firearm, in the grip. The bullets look as if they would be forward of the feed ramp.
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Nah. You're just seeing things. Here's a roughly scaled image I made in paint. Red lines are mag to mag, and ejector to ejector. What you're seeing, I assume, is the ejection port, since the carbine's ejection port is static, and the glock slide would move to that position after firing.
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Unagi604 said:
Nah. You're just seeing things. Here's a roughly scaled image I made in paint. Red lines are mag to mag, and ejector to ejector. What you're seeing, I assume, is the ejection port, since the carbine's ejection port is static, and the glock slide would move to that position after firing.
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ok, my bad
 
Unagi604 said:
Nah. You're just seeing things. Here's a roughly scaled image I made in paint. Red lines are mag to mag, and ejector to ejector. What you're seeing, I assume, is the ejection port, since the carbine's ejection port is static, and the glock slide would move to that position after firing.
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Damn that is some good paint work and analysis.
 
Dnu69 said:
You mean one gun that you could swap barrels on? How would that work, wouldn’t it have to be registered as a restricted at that point, making the NR barrel kind of a moot point? What am I missing/
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you have 30 days from the change of barrel to have it registered as a restricted, that allows you 30 days to return it to original condition. All pertaining laws do need to be followed though,

Eg, One person owns both barrels, drives it to the range as NR, uses it as such swaps barrels to R, at range (has 3o days to register), shoots to test it, doesn't *like* it, swaps back to NR barrel and drives home. Since rifle is back to NR state, CFO no longer needs to be informed.
Do note that you cant legally discharge a R outside the range so doing this in the woods would be ill advised.

Pretty simple to do by people that already have a restricted license, with many firearms that have changeable barrels or R upper assemblies.
Hope that helps understanding
 
brownbear53 said:
you have 30 days from the change of barrel to have it registered as a restricted, that allows you 30 days to return it to original condition. All pertaining laws do need to be followed though,

Eg, One person owns both barrels, drives it to the range as NR, uses it as such swaps barrels to R, at range (has 3o days to register), shoots to test it, doesn't *like* it, swaps back to NR barrel and drives home. Since rifle is back to NR state, CFO no longer needs to be informed.
Do note that you cant legally discharge a R outside the range so doing this in the woods would be ill advised.

Pretty simple to do by people that already have a restricted license, with many firearms that have changeable barrels or R upper assemblies.
Hope that helps understanding
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Ok this gets my attention. I definitely follow the logic and I definitely like the idea. However, I want to understand the legality a bit more. In the situation you describe you are transporting the firearm as a NR “but” you also have a barrel with you (I assume) that can make that said firearm a restricted. I get you have 30 days but how do you prove that? I get the logic (I have wondered if the same would work) but if you got pulled over during transport, how would they see it? Slight twist on your description. A Ruger PC carbine takedown, NR, but you also have a short takedown barrel. Very easy swap out. Based on what you are saying you could transport both to the range (with the firearm in NR form) shoot via both barrels and then transport back in NR form…..and that is totally legal? Then another twist, what about the firearm being broke down, meaning both barrels are loose from the receiver. Is that an issue? I guess I am unclear on what makes a firearm restricted in these examples. Meaning having a short takedown barrel laying around for a NR PC Carbine is ok? This needs it own thread, lol. I have been wondering this for awhile but figured it was way too close to the line for my liking. Is this widely done and accepted as legit?
 
brownbear53 said:
you have 30 days from the change of barrel to have it registered as a restricted, that allows you 30 days to return it to original condition. All pertaining laws do need to be followed though,

Eg, One person owns both barrels, drives it to the range as NR, uses it as such swaps barrels to R, at range (has 3o days to register), shoots to test it, doesn't *like* it, swaps back to NR barrel and drives home. Since rifle is back to NR state, CFO no longer needs to be informed.
Do note that you cant legally discharge a R outside the range so doing this in the woods would be ill advised.

Pretty simple to do by people that already have a restricted license, with many firearms that have changeable barrels or R upper assemblies.
Hope that helps understanding
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You can only possess a restricted firearm at your residence or at a place authorized by the CFO through an ATT. An ATT, even those attached to your license to go to the range, has to specify the firearms that are authorized for transport as per regulation. If they don’t know about the restricted rifle because it hasn’t been registered yet, it won’t be covered by your ATT, therefore any possession outside your home is a problem.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-2.html#h-223301

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-206/page-1.html#h-1019708
 
Paul_1982 said:
You can only possess a restricted firearm at your residence or at a place authorized by the CFO through an ATT. An ATT, even those attached to your license to go to the range, has to specify the firearms that are authorized for transport as per regulation. If they don’t know about the restricted rifle because it hasn’t been registered yet, it won’t be covered by your ATT, therefore any possession outside your home is a problem.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/f-11.6/page-2.html#h-223301

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regulations/SOR-98-206/page-1.html#h-1019708
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Read those very carefully.
 
Dnu69 said:
Ok this gets my attention. I definitely follow the logic and I definitely like the idea. However, I want to understand the legality a bit more. In the situation you describe you are transporting the firearm as a NR “but” you also have a barrel with you (I assume) that can make that said firearm a restricted. I get you have 30 days but how do you prove that? I get the logic (I have wondered if the same would work) but if you got pulled over during transport, how would they see it? Slight twist on your description. A Ruger PC carbine takedown, NR, but you also have a short takedown barrel. Very easy swap out. Based on what you are saying you could transport both to the range (with the firearm in NR form) shoot via both barrels and then transport back in NR form…..and that is totally legal? Then another twist, what about the firearm being broke down, meaning both barrels are loose from the receiver. Is that an issue? I guess I am unclear on what makes a firearm restricted in these examples. Meaning having a short takedown barrel laying around for a NR PC Carbine is ok? This needs it own thread, lol. I have been wondering this for awhile but figured it was way too close to the line for my liking. Is this widely done and accepted as legit?
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It hasn't been tested in courts, so it's yet another one of those vague and grey areas in the law. When the Firearms Act was written, they didn't take into account modular designs. I certainly wouldn't want to be the test case for it.
 
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