Went and fired my TT33 for the first time, and maybe the last?

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Hi everyone, I mostly lurk around but I think I may have something you could possibly help me on.

Nearly all the firearms I own are military surplus, and this is actually the first time I had any kind of problem with one of my guns.

Took my TT33 out to the range for the first time, everything had been disassembled/cleaned beforehand. Shot two mags total, right off the start I was having FTE's after about 3 rounds, for a total of about 1/3rd of all the shots fired. Then the slide started to lock back half the time when a shot was fired, I could unjam it by pulling lightly up on the barrel to free the slide.

Then after the second mag the slide completely locked, so I had to pack my things and take a look at it at home.

Turns out I had to lift the extractor to unjam it, seems like it wasn't up to spec! It caused a bulge on the end of the chamber where the extractor sits. I beleive the extractor is sticking out too much and hitting the end of the barrel. Before firing it the action was smooth though...

Here are some pictures, first is the bulge on the end of the chamber, then the extractor and last is the casing that was stuck then the gun locked, showing extractor marks.

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It's only a tokarev so I guess I'll buy another one if this one is trashed, but any of you know if there's something I could do to try and fix it? A gun that can't fire makes me sad :p
 
Most of the Tok's I've dealt with have been as reliable as a stone axe. Maybe it's an ammo issue? Getting it fixed would likely cost you more than the gun once you add in shipping.
 
I've been using the Czech surplus 7.62x25. Never had a problem with the surplus 7.62x39 though (Czech too)... S&B seems to be pretty good as far as surplus ammo is concerned.
 
Here's what I was talking about when I was saying the ejector "sticks out too much"

I drew a line where the ejection port starts is so you can see how much it protudes

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Browsing trough pictures of other TT33's it seems this should be in line with the ejection port?

see:
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both of mine extend out past that point, maybe not as far at yours, but when viewed from the top it is really evident.
you should contact the dealer that supplied the firearm, maybe it will be covered.

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the bottom one has a broken extractor tip, hence it doesn't exject.
 
Did you check that there nothing under or behind the extractor stopping it from seating correctly? There may be costliness in there. Lever Arms may have some bits. if the seller won't fix it, likely you can file off the preened bit and get yourself another extractor.
 
Thanks for the help everyone. I'll try to fix it myself. This thing didn't go trough the war and years of storage just to die in my hands. ;) I just ordered another extractor, spring and pin. I will file off the bit that's sticking out too.

The only part I didn't disassemble when I cleaned it was the extractor because the pin didn't want to move :rolleyes: that'll teach me...

We'll see how that works out.
 
bandit86 said:
I don't see what you guys are talking about, I have 3 toks please fill me in
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It's about me getting what seems to be the only TT33 in existence that's not working perfectly, not ejecting and finally getting that nasty kink on the barrel (in the first picture) that caused the slide to get locked closed after having only shot 16 rounds...

I'll go back to trying to punch out that damn extractor pin :mad:
 
Yeah I know it's great, that's why I said mine is the only one EVER that's not going bang every time. :p

Was browsing around before posting to see if anyone had a similar issue, didn't find anything! I must be the only one that can actually break the damn things :D
 
Thanks for the link, there's a pretty big gap between the breech and the extractor on mine too. When firing it just slips by the casings, leaving them about a third of the way out of the chamber.

I'll look into it once I get my spare extractor, maybe I'll trim the old one a bit like you did to see if that helps.
 
It's hard to say from here with only fairly big pictures to look at but that peened out ding on the extractor relieve suggests to me that the barrel is rotating a little during cycling and hitting the lip of the extractor. I suspect that if you get a file with a safe edge on it and open up the notch for the extractor part way up into the peening and then simply file off the peak of the peened part that is remaining that the problem will be gone.

It's not your extractor as such. It's that the extractor clearnance notch in the barrel is slightly out of position.

BTW, a "safe edge" on a file is one that has the teeth ground or stoned off so the edge is smooth and does not cut into the metal. It's a great tool for fixing such things as this. You can buy "safe edge" files but they are specialty items. But if you have a coarse sharening stone or a belt sander it's pretty simple to take the teeth off one of the edges to make your own. You don't need to take them FULLLY off. but you want to see some nice big shiney faces where the crests of the cutting teeth used to be. The shiney crests should be a little wider than the remaining gullets to be good to go.
 
I see what you mean, It makes a lot of sense. I'll try that first before changing the extractor. thanks for the heads up.

edit: Just went and cycled the gun and the extractor relief is indeed too small, when the slide closes the extractor hits the corner of the relief where it has bulged out.
 
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Time to go shopping for a file that will fit into the notch then. Go easy, check your work often and only remove a little at a time until you get a fit where a little slip of printer paper will just barely fit between the extrator and the side of the notch when the gun is in battery.
 
Rotary787b said:
It's about me getting what seems to be the only TT33 in existence that's not working perfectly, not ejecting and finally getting that nasty kink on the barrel (in the first picture) that caused the slide to get locked closed after having only shot 16 rounds...

I'll go back to trying to punch out that damn extractor pin :mad:
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I agree with you and understand your pain, a new toy should work right out of the box. I meant in te pictures I don't see what the difference is
 
BCRider said:
Time to go shopping for a file that will fit into the notch then. Go easy, check your work often and only remove a little at a time until you get a fit where a little slip of printer paper will just barely fit between the extrator and the side of the notch when the gun is in battery.
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Just to be sure, do you mean to remove material on the face of the notch where the front of the extractor will rest against when the slide closes fully, or remove material on the top of the relief where the top of the extractor slides against?

I ask this because when the slide is about to close, before the barrel goes up and lock, the top corner of the extractor hits the part that's peened. I was thinking that this was the cause of the problem and not the play between the face of the extractor and the relief. The extractor supposed to slide in the relief first and then the barrel tilts up, right? You can see the marks on my pistol where the top of the extractor was deforming the top part of the relief.

looking at the pictures posted by dakotamar and comparing it with my pistol with the slide fully closed, I see the top of the relief on mine is much lower, therefore causing it to hit the extractor when the barrel is unlocked.
 
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