Were there any prohibited Sask Stens that survived?

As far as I know they never hit a smelter. Producer was forced to close but those firearms never hit the smelter. I feel like I saw one come up for auction in the last few years but I could be wrong

Curious to get the files on that ####show to see if anything similar could be made NR today
 
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The prohibited ones were so classified when samples were submitted to the SFSS for inspection. There was no production. No legal procedure for grandfathering.
 
tiriaq said:
The prohibited ones were so classified when samples were submitted to the SFSS for inspection. There was no production. No legal procedure for grandfathering.
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I suspected that. Any idea what may have happened to them when the company closed? Did they get donated to a museum (hopefully)?
 
FWIW, I was involved in semi-auto sten manufacturing at the time. What happened is sask sten was building open bolt stens from finish surplus kits and all they were doing to make them semi-auto was internally welding the selector in the semi-auto position. A few were sold on gun forums and eventually one ended up at hte lab - no idea if the maker (it was a one man show) sent it in, or if it was a seizure.

All the other semi-auto sten designs - most were far superior to the sask sten - were placed in an indefinite holding queue because the lab ruled the sask sten a prohib and the maker challenged it in court. The lab was able to show 2 things, firstly that the sask sten could be easily converted to full auto with simple hand tools (you just had to file away a weld), and secondly that the sten design could inherently be made to fire full auto by handloading ammo precisely so it would cycle and not trip the bolt hold open sear.

The courts sided with the crown and the lab used that decision to prohibit all open-bolt guns of the sten design (because of one idiot...). This even included some of the very nicely made and expensive modern replicas of volkssturm MP3008 "stens" that Marstar was bringing in.

I believe the closed-bolt sten designs that were classed non-restricted prior to the open bolt sten BS may still be floating around. Those typically used a smaller diameter tube and could not accept original sten internals. In fact, tiriaq and I put one together over beers one weekend... long since sold to mike from canmore.

at least one of my builds was documented on milsurps.com and can still be found there, but don't copy what I did way back then. No longer legal to do this work, they are all prohib now.

Anything sten like you send to the lab now will get classed prohib as a variant of the sask sten. don't bother trying.
 
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Grizzly Adams said:
I've seen some nice looking dewats for sale, any connection ?

Grizz
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No. Most of the dewats on the market came from the same source, and he was making them from torch cut scrap metal that used to be stens. He's a CGN member that I don't plan to "out" unless he talks about it pro-actively. They are generally all very nicely done, I've owned several.

There were also a bunch of finnish surplus ones with some distinctly finnish traits floating around that collector's source brought in around 15 years ago.
 
Claven2 said:
I believe the closed-bolt sten designs that were classed non-restricted prior to the open bolt sten BS may still be floating around. Those typically used a smaller diameter tube and could not accept original sten internals. In fact, tiriaq and I put one together over beers one weekend... long since sold to mike from canmore.
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There are still entries for restricted and non-restricted ######## (oh FFS! sask sten - why bother censoring the name if it's this easily bypassed?) made guns in the FRT, I've seen a few sold.

But I'm mainly curious if any of their prohibited classed guns survived (admittedly looking to pick one up if they did). Looks like the answer is no.
 
ht/tps://www.icollector.com/Non-Restricted-rifle-#ask#ten-model-Sten-MK-2-9mm-five-shot-semi-automatic-w-bbl-length-18-3-4_i37625257

Found the auction i was talking about. It doesnt show up if you dont fix the HTTPS + censored name
 
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yes, that's one of the NR and R guns that were sold I was referring to. There are a number of past sales on icollector. I was specifically looking for P guns by that manufacturer...
 
Claven2 said:
FWIW, I was involved in semi-auto sten manufacturing at the time. What happened is sask sten was building open bolt stens from finish surplus kits and all they were doing to make them semi-auto was internally welding the selector in the semi-auto position. A few were sold on gun forums and eventually one ended up at hte lab - no idea if the maker (it was a one man show) sent it in, or if it was a seizure.

All the other semi-auto sten designs - most were far superior to the sask sten - were placed in an indefinite holding queue because the lab ruled the sask sten a prohib and the maker challenged it in court. The lab was able to show 2 things, firstly that the sask sten could be easily converted to full auto with simple hand tools (you just had to file away a weld), and secondly that the sten design could inherently be made to fire full auto by handloading ammo precisely so it would cycle and not trip the bolt hold open sear.

The courts sided with the crown and the lab used that decision to prohibit all open-bolt guns of the sten design (because of one idiot...). This even included some of the very nicely made and expensive modern replicas of volkssturm MP3008 "stens" that Marstar was bringing in.

I believe the closed-bolt sten designs that were classed non-restricted prior to the open bolt sten BS may still be floating around. Those typically used a smaller diameter tube and could not accept original sten internals. In fact, tiriaq and I put one together over beers one weekend... long since sold to mike from canmore.

at least one of my builds was documented on milsurps.com and can still be found there, but don't copy what I did way back then. No longer legal to do this work, they are all prohib now.

Anything sten like you send to the lab now will get classed prohib as a variant of the sask sten. don't bother trying.
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There is a restricted version that uses a striker fired system from BS Ordnance in the FRT data base. In theory could a licensed manufacturer copy that design and piggy back off their FRT?
 
Given the evergreen provisions enshrined via C-21, setting up to manufacture a paramilitary semi auto that uses detachable magazines would not be a good idea.
 
Been a whole whack of barrels, bolts and magazines (some NOS!) for sale by 1 owner on GP the last couple weeks.
 
Billnyethesigsauerguy said:
There is a restricted version that uses a striker fired system from BS Ordnance in the FRT data base. In theory could a licensed manufacturer copy that design and piggy back off their FRT?
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Anything is possible if you have the money and time to risk. Most manufacturers don't. If you do you could ger a manufacturer started on the project...

To piggyback off that FRT a sample would still have to be produced and examined as the manufacturer will be different.
 
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