Werndl 1867/77 Disassembly! (lots of photos)

many thanks for posting; I have one in relic status right now but eventually I hope to rebuild it. I think relative to the cartridge; take a chamber cast and more or less duplicate that. Expect the chamber to be several thou oversize. I think the critical thing is to have access to a metal lathe so that you can make forming and loading dies plus modify a second hand mold to fit whatever slug you require. I suspect that most people don't realize at first about the helical back to the breach block which moves the breach block forward as it closes.
I did have a Wanzl at one point (.58 rimfire if my memory is correct) and definitely felt the action was superior to the trapdoor. It had a bolt or pin which slides forward to lock the breach closed, as the hammer falls. I think Steppenwolf has the gun now

cheers mooncoon
 
crooked barrel jed said:
Croft Barker had an article about one of these in the single shot exchange magazine not too long ago, I'll see if I can find it in my collection. I believe he made some ammo for it.
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The articall I remembered was in the June 2010 issue, not written by Croft Barker but by William Roth jr., and it is a sported carbine chambered in 8x50R Austrian, so not really relevant. He does reference an earlier artical from the Dec 2009 issue concerning the M1877 carbine. But the issue is missing from my collection
 
I found an article by Peter Reitmair on the Austrian M67, in a book called, “The International Arms Review”, a Jolex Publication.

He mentions a M/1867 cartridge 60.4mm long and a later M/1877 cartridge 74mm long.

In 1874 a Czech Krnka magazine system was tried and rejected on cost. The Krnka magazine attached to the left side of the action and held 10 cartridges under spring pressure. The cartridges were taken out of the magazine by hand, one by one, and loaded separately.

There is mention of the Russians using the Krnka system on their Berdan rifles.
 
Russians didnt use Krnka system on their Berdans, they used it on their muzzleloaders, their first step to conversion. The Berdan rifle then replaced Krnka within a year or two from its adoption.
 
Wally, Wally, Wally- now you have smellie sulking. I think I may soon join him as I need one of these living next to my Tabatieres and Sniders.

Very nice action on the ol girl,
thank you
janice
 
Sulking, hell! Right now I am in a full-blown POUT!!!!

These things were $11.97 from Albion in Peterborough when I was a kid..... and I couldn't raise another $11.97 after getting my AOI Vetterli-Vitali 1870/87/915.

Pushing 20 years later, ran into close to a hundred of them at Waben Sjoberg in Silkeborg, Jutland...... and they were ALL welded solid for "dekowaffen" for the tourist market.

STILL don't have one, which is why I am in a pout. YOURS is REALLY pretty and I do thank you (sincerely, although still in a pout) for this thread.

Thinking a little more about the critter, if you turn the action inside-out you have...... the famous French 75!

Some day I will have a Werndl.................. some day. I hope. It's my Holy Grail, I guess.
 
smellie......that whole story is gut-wrenching enough that I am going to keep a look out for one for you now. I have passed on two of them in the last six years just because well....it wasn't my thing. But its like they say, everyone has their 'Werndl'
 
I found an article by Croft Barker in my old copy of "The Black Powder Cartridge News", Fall 2007.

The article is on the 1867/77 and he uses .348 Winchester as a basis.

Chambering's were; M67 11.15 x 42R; M73 11.4 x50R; M77 11.15 x 58R.

Carbines; 11.15 x 36R.

The M77 11.15 x 58R is used in the 1886 Mannlicher and can be found at gun shows in the correct Mannlicher clip.

PM for more.
 
I swear 3/4 of the old oddball black powder cartridges can be made from 348 winchester :p

I ended up with an 1886 in 11.15x58R with bayo as well, and original paper patched boxed ammo on clips :D Next time I've got a minute I should really do a photo disassembly/assembly on it as well :D
 
Andy said:
Where's the Range Report?!
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I forgot my camera and haven't taken it out since :/ On the upside, I'll have to take the 1886 out so the werndl may as well come too :p Amusingly both the werndl and 1886 are longer than my trunk is wide so it's a bit tough even getting them there.
 
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