To offset my 700 MTN SS in ‘06, I picked up on a whim a Wby V2 in 300 Wby for a backup rig for this Fall. I’m certain either will suffice out to 400yrds if the need arises, but will always look to take advantage of getting closer in range If I can.
I dont agree with the hard to shoot part. Yes expensive, yes hit hard (thats what i want. I want lots of energy on Target at range) but to me they are easy to shoot longer range because of the low drop and buck the wind quality.Both of these are fricken CANNONS that are expensive to shoot and require a lot of practice to be good with. Thats not a good combination for a newbie long range shooter.
better overkill than underkill.I dont agree with the hard to shoot part. Yes expensive, yes hit hard (thats what i want. I want lots of energy on Target at range) but to me they are easy to shoot longer range because of the low drop and buck the wind quality.
You speak like someone who hasn't tried it. Go spend an afternoon practicing at long range with a 338 LM, then come back and tell us how easy it is.I dont agree with the hard to shoot part. Yes expensive, yes hit hard (thats what i want. I want lots of energy on Target at range) but to me they are easy to shoot longer range because of the low drop and buck the wind quality.
My reply is the same as for the guy above you. Go try it, and then come back and tell us how "overkill" is definitely the better choice. I've spent days shooting big, heavy recoiling rifles and can speak from first hand experience that its not fun.better overkill than underkill.
All kinds of poke for elk at a little over 500?? I for one would like a lot more than that. I don't put a lot of stock in FPE, and lost a nice bull myself hitting one with 1500 ft/lbs. with a light bullet. Knew better, but figured I'd make a quick recovery in the snow with my hunting partner being a good tracker. Hit another one with 180 gr. and about 2400 pounds of energy, and I wished I had used a bigger rifle yet. The 180 shed 44 percent of its weight, and didn't exit. I followed up quickly with a second one that did, and decked him before he made it into the bush. A premium bullet likely would've helped a fair bit.
And therein lies part of the problem with long range. Just trying to figure out where you hit him, if there's no immediate stoppage to follow up.
Yes. But to build the familiarity with the rifle and the ammo and understand reading wind and range estimation you MUST practice and practice and practice.practice beats you up. when hunting it's (hopefully) only one shot. more likely to be only one shot with the right rifle.
I have shot long action all of m’y life and dont find them that hard. I get kicked a lot more by magnum 3 inch 12 ga. I havé good break on thé gun. Always shoot from rested position or tripod. Yes its not a 308 but its not a safari rifle also. As for cost yes its expensive but I reload for m’y 300 norma mag and I just dont shoot that much. I confirm zero at différent range and if I am lucky I will shoot an animal. Thats les then a box a year. I havé a nice 308 and 223 for fun range Time and m’y local range stops at 300 anyway.You speak like someone who hasn't tried it. Go spend an afternoon practicing at long range with a 338 LM, then come back and tell us how easy it is.
FWIW, I didn't say such rifles are "hard to shoot". I said they take a bunch of practice to be good with. Long range shooting requires a lot of practice and experience. When the rifle beats the sh1t out of you with both recoil and blast pressure and every shot drains $5 out of your wallet, practicing becomes a chore and is not overly fun.
Many years ago I spend a day with a lightweight 338WM and that rifle beat me blue. My shoulder and cheek were a mess after 30-40 rounds. Once I was beat up and hurting, do you want to take a guess as to how much fun it was to continue to pull the trigger and how well I was doing with my marksmanship when I knew that each trigger pull was going to hurt and add to all the hurt I was already in.
If you shoot less than a box a year, IMO you are not shooting enough to be taking long range shots on game.As for cost yes its expensive but I reload for m’y 300 norma mag and I just dont shoot that much. I confirm zero at différent range and if I am lucky I will shoot an animal. Thats les then a box a year.
I shoot 1000’s of rounds a year. I dont havé to shoot thé big gun to havé marksman skillIf you shoot less than a box a year, IMO you are not shooting enough to be taking long range shots on game.
Yes, all kinds of poke to a little over 500. 168 eld-m or 178 eld-x, run em both in calculator...same same. That video nearly elk size critter, factory load, 530 yards, my 20" sako and 168's would land around 1870 fps at 530.
No part of this discussion or thread should be talking about shooters abilities. That should be a given assumption when asking about long range set up. So try to stay on topic folks. The langbanger doesn't look like this will be his first bike ride. Those who can do, and we all know how many think they can and don't, that's on them. Bunch of guys killing elk to 400 with .223's on rokslide, most everything we're talking about here is overpowered lol. There is no replacement for placement, so what is the set up that will make the placement the easiest to not only make but also see perhaps? It's also a whole different level of satisfaction and also speed to correct if you CAN see it all happen, just sayin. For the OP's specific request...and making it fun and easy to shoot meaning also more of shooting...this would be a great recipe for making 600 almost easy as riding a bike.
You do have to learn your rifle and load... and "under a box" ain't going to do it.I shoot 1000’s of rounds a year. I dont havé to shoot thé big gun to havé marksman skill