What are Norinco rifles like, CQB andM14?

Bolivar said:
M14 is made by Springfield Armory. A US based company. Not sure where they actually manufacture. Big money

M305 made by Norinco in China. Reasonable money.
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not even close- m14 was made by h&r, winchester, springfield armory( the government one) and trw-
m1a is made by SPRINGFIELD ARMORY( THE PRIVATE COMPANY) what's confusing you is that there's 2 springfield companies - well one was closed in about 68 or so-that was the government armory,springfield armory, the private company, gets it's receivers from a joint in quebec
 
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MauserMike said:
In the case of an M-14, most people can't buy the real thing and nobody can shoot the real thing :)
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Technically, ya your right, unless your grandfathered, you can't own a real M-14, and you can't shoot it. (That really stinks by the way)
I was speaking generically, if that's the right term, most everyone calls their M305 an M14
 
Franklin_E said:
I have a CQ-A, and other than the commercial buffer tube I could not be happier!
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Seriously what are the drawbacks to the commercial tube? It's just a larger diameter, could this not be a good thing?


TO the OP, I'm looking into buying my first AR as well, Norinco is a no brainer.

I'll also be looking into a pistol, I want a sig, I'll get a Norinco NP-22 (if not a bnib glock, Police ordinance and their deals...)
 
I have seen the Chinese AR in real life and upclose and I was told by the gun seller that this AR can shoot VERY accurately.

The thing that didn't sell on me was the finish of the CQA1. It looks like it was just freshly made and thrown into a pile of "other" AR's straight out of whatever plant/arsenal factory it came from. Alot of scratches on it and typically very greasy just like my Norinco SKS.

Seeing that someone has asked about the rifle, anyone here who hasn't bought one yet should see this rifle for yourself. I'm sure it will be just as accurate as any other AR but the quality control is something to be desired.

Another reason why I wouldn't recommend Norinco products is that the Chinese only made these firearms/weapons just to profit off of Westerners and not really caring about the quality of their work.

And yes I am Chinese and anyone who reads this should take my advice. If you're on a budget, buy Norinco. If not, buy American/German.

P.S I haven't seen the M14 clone yet but I was told from various sources that the quality of this weapon is excellent...... yet again, quality control is seriously needed....
 
Old subject, done to death, but oh well....

I've got a CQB and am very happy with it. The gun functions perfectly and is very accurate. The earlier models may have had poor finishes but this is evidently not the case now. The finish on mine (from Marstar, about 6 months ago) is good. It is also completely compatible with the Chiappa .22LR upper (and probably any other conversion upper.)

You can pay $1,000 more and get an AR that really isn't any better as a gun. The extra money may be worth it for prestige reasons or some other fine point, but that's up to you.
 
EDX2308 said:
Alot of scratches on it and typically very greasy just like my Norinco SKS.
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My grizzly shotgun has a s**tty finish. I wwas going to buy a $30 can of epoxy based paint, but then realized WHO CARES? It's a shotgun.

And this extends to the AR, if you REALLY need that fancy finish, then use all that money you saved to get one. Alternativly, you could realize that it's purely cosmetic, and have fun with your firearm by taking it to the range instead of keeping it in a plastic bag in the safe.
 
pbr streetgang said:
Ummmm, Springfield Massachusetts...
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t-star said:
not even close- m14 was made by h&r, winchester, springfield armory( the government one) and trw-
m1a is made by SPRINGFIELD ARMORY( THE PRIVATE COMPANY) what's confusing you is that there's 2 springfield companies - well one was closed in about 68 or so-that was the government armory,springfield armory, the private company, gets it's receivers from a joint in quebec
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I seem to recall manufacture in mexico too, but I may have made that up in my head (mis-remembered to quote GW Bush), thus my statement - Not sure where they are actually manufactured. :)
 
Well that does it then, I'll buy both these guns but not yet 'cause I am going on vacation in about 7 weeks so purchase may be postponed till fall.
That CQB really looks sweet.

Cheers.
 
chaslavk:

Don't buy ONE! :eek:

Buy TWO of them! :nest:

No joking! I've been telling all the M14 forum fans that the Norc M14 is the best buy going because for around $ 500 bones (delivered and taxes) you get a great forged receiver. That parts that happen to be screwed on to it are GRAVY! :D

Okay, if you are an iron sight shooter, replace the windage and elevation knobs with M1 Garand versions. (under $ 60 from fleabay)

If you want to have kids free of carcinogens and toxic unknown, BURN the chu wood stock, but some people refinish them nicely. Can you tell I have a hate on for the Chu wood? :)

If you happen to find a Norc/Poly 2009 rifle with a black plastic/polyethylene stock, well at least yer #### will not fall off! :nest: I happen to like these stocks for newbies getting into the game. The camo Zhinese stock is great if you are 'yote' hunting! :D

Now about those M4 CQ Norcs.... they are kicking lots of expensive rifles around at our Service CQB matches. I'm too ugly to deploy to any place hot and sandy, so don't flame me for "your rifle will FAIL" fears (real or perceived). We are talking about a newbie getting into the game without #### loss paranoia! :evil: We are out at Langemark Range, Base Borden, in Ontario having a great time. That's what the hobby is about.

I ain't a gunfighter! I'm a mirror Kommando! :AR15: ha ha ha ha

Now all of you get out there and shoot yer rifles.... better yet, bring in newbies and convert them to the Conservatives. We have a battle to win ! :D

Cheers,
Barney
 
FWIW, SEI, one of the most respected names in M14s, will only build on a few receivers and will only do trigger work on a few trigger housings.

They will NOT work on cast Springfield M1A receivers or trigger groups. Says so right on their website. The WILL work on, for example, LRB receivers, USGI receivers, and... wait for it... NORINCO and POLYTECH RECEIVERS! Chinese forged trigger groups too!

When 2.I.D. wet to Iraq they took with them TWO Polytech receivered M14 crazy horses as they couldn't get real M14 receivers issued to them in time (they were in Taiwan before deplyong if I recall). The sent the rifles to SEI and got them back just before going to Iraq. By all accounts, SEI thought they were good receivers and the GI's who used them had no complaints.

My personal long-range M14 is a 2005 'rinco with all H&R parts and a Barnett DMR NM barrel. Hungry and a few others have seen it - I can assure you it's as accurate as any M14 has a right to be and it's in spec. Can't say the same for every M1A I've ever worked on...

Ever hear of M1A bolt roller slap? Ever seen one with an unaltered GI oprod tab or an in-spec oprod takedown notch? Ever try to fit an ARMS18 mount to an M1A? Ever seen what they are passing off as a "national match" rear sight these days?

Those of you who build up a lot of M14 rifles will know exactly what I am talking about ;) Give me a nork receiver anyday.
 
Well I posted so much I had to re log in and lost it so I'll be much more brief.


Hungry and Claven pretty much sum it up. :agree:

My M14S and M-4 have had zeo stoppages. Yes thats zero with capital "Z". Factory ammo and some handloads. S&B 150FMJBT chrony from 2719-2743 on 10 rounds @15feet, with 2" groups from outofbox aperture sights. My eyes are half a century and my glory days with irons are in the past for sure. I will continue to shoot it this way however till I cant see them at all.

My Norc M-4 looks like any M-4 14.5" carbine, but compared to the the fit and finish, and number stampings on the lower of an Armalite M-15 10.5", i was ogling, its lacking. The Armie was 2200 though, a new Norc as low as 679.00.


I don't like the plastic Norc M14S stock and i have a Garand sight on the way to install. The Norc one works properly nonetheless. The M14s takes the M-6 bayonet well and the 762NATO 5 rounds strippers work flawlessly through its guide. watch out for the side of your thumb, I had forgotten the stripped flesh, after many years.:p Both supplied Mags a 5/5 and 5/20 work as required.

My Norc M-4 came new with Bushmaster Mags, I have NHMTG and LAR mags new and I can't comment on "Norinco" M-4 mags. They seem to be a weak link in the chain from others posts.

I'm batting 100 with chinese steel, so a 1911 commander will probaly be in the future if I can't get the cost of a Colt commander together.

Whats in your Wallet will decide what you get. If you want Brand name american save wait and buy.

Chevy Cavalier is not a Cadillac CTS-V, but will get you safely from Halifax to Vancouver safely and on time nonetheless.:canadaFlag:
 
I had a Cavalier once. I would not want to drive it from coast to coast but it did the trick when I was wet behind the ears in high school and college. Sort of like Norcs.

(The Cavalier was a wagon, not high on the cool factor but handy for hauling mountain bikes or having deeeeeep discussions with the ladies :evil:)
 
Hey now, I'm running a cavalier now, and while I can't wait till I'm out of university and can afford another truck I'm stuck with that. But unlike a cavalier you can trick out a Norc and have a nice little gun. Or be a brand whore and join the norinco haters club. Just buy a Norc
 
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