What are some good quality commercial watches that would have been worn in WW1

Wow, those are some nice watches, you guys are extremely lucky!

I recall searching for WW1 watches a couple of years ago, and coming across a site that made repro trench straps. For the life of me, I can't remember who made them, but I'll do my best to find it again and post it here.
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If I recall, wrist watches were a relatively new invention around the time of WWI. Hence you see these wrist watches which are either converted pocket watches or not too far off.

There were Rolex "trench watches" for example". You can see what I mean - it looks like more pocket watch than not.

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article located on google said:
The History and Evolution of the Wris####ch...

By John E. Brozek

© InfoQuest Publishing, Inc., 2004

International Watch Magazine, January 2004

Today, a wris####ch is considered as much of a status symbol as a device to tell time. In an age when cell phones and digital pagers display tiny quartz clocks, the mechanical wris####ch has slowly become less of an object of function and more a piece of modern culture.

Walk into the boardroom of any Fortune 500 company and you’re likely to see dozens of prestigious wris####ches, including such names as Rolex, Vacheron Constantin, Frank Müller, Jaeger-LeCoultre and even Patek Phillipe. However, this was not always the case. Less than 100 years ago, no self-respecting gentleman would be caught dead wearing a wris####ch. In those days of yore, real men carried pocket watches, with a gold half-hunter being the preferred status symbol of the time—no pun intended.

Wristlets, as they were called, were reserved for women, and considered more of a passing fad than a serious timepiece. In fact, they were held in such disdain that many a gentlemen were actually quoted to say they “would sooner wear a skirt as wear a wris####ch”.

The established watchmaking community looked down on them as well. Because of their size, few believed wristlets could be made to achieve any level of accuracy, nor could they withstand the basic rigors of human activity. Therefore, very few companies produced them in quantity, with the vast majority of those being small ladies’ models, with delicate fixed wire or chain-link bracelets.

This all started to change in the nineteenth century, when soldiers discovered their usefulness during wartime situations. Pocket watches were clumsy to carry and thus difficult to operate while in combat. Therefore, soldiers fitted them into primitive “cupped” leather straps so they could be worn on the wrist, thereby freeing up their hands during battle. It is believed that Girard-Perregaux equipped the German Imperial Naval with similar pieces as early as the 1880s, which they wore on their wrists while synchronizing naval attacks, and firing artillery.

Decades later, several technological advents were credited with the British victory in the Anglo-Boer War (South Africa 1899-1902), including smokeless gunpowder, the magazine-fed rifle and even the automatic or machine gun. However, some would argue that it was a not-so-lethal device that helped turn the tide into Britain’s favor: the wris####ch.

While the British troops were superiorly trained and equipped, they were slightly outnumbered, and at a disadvantage while attacking the Boer’s heavily entrenched positions. Thanks to these recently designed weapons, a new age of war had emerged, which, now more than ever, required tactical precision. British officers achieved success by using these makeshift wris####ches to coordinate simultaneous troop movements, and synchronize flanking attacks against the Boer’s formations.

In fact, an “Unsolicited Testimonial” dated June 7, 1900, appeared in the 1901, Goldsmith’s Company Watch and Clock Catalog as follows:

“… I wore it continually in South Africa on my wrist for 3 ½ months. It kept most excellent time, and never failed me.—Faithfully yours, Capt. North Staffs. Regt.”

This testimonial appeared below an advertisement for a military pocket watch listed as The Company’s “Service” Watch, and was further described as: “The most reliable timekeeper in the World for Gentlemen going on Active Service or for rough wear.”

In 1906, the evolution of wristlets took an even bigger step with the invention of the expandable flexible bracelet, as well as the introduction of wire loops (or lugs) soldered onto small, open-faced pocket watch cases, allowing leather straps to be more easily attached. This aided their adaptation for military use and thus marked a turning point in the development of wris####ches for men.

Another timely issue was the vulnerability of the glass crystal when worn during combat. This was addressed by utilizing “pierced metal covers”, frequently called shrapnel guards. These were basically metal grills (often made of silver), placed over the dial of the watch—thereby protecting the glass from damage while still allowing the time to be easily read.

A less common solution was the use of leather covers, snapped into place over the watch. While they did offer protection from damage, they were cumbersome to use, and thus were primarily seen in the extreme climates of Australia and Africa.

Even with their success in combat, the popularity of the wris####ch was still limited to ladies’ models. They didn’t reach the mainstream market until some two decades later, when soldiers from around the world converged on Europe to help defeat the German Empire in WWI (1914-1919). Due to the strategic lessons learned in the Boer War, the demand for reliable, accurate wris####ches was now at its peak.

While German troops at this time were largely issued the more primitive “pocket watch” designs, Allied troops had a wide range of new models to choose from. Many examples featured small silver pocket watch cases fitted with leather straps and displayed radium-illuminated porcelain dials protected by the aforementioned shrapnel guards.

Wris####ches were no longer considered a novelty but were now a wartime necessity, and companies were scrambling to keep up with the demand. One company that enjoyed success during this time was Wilsdorf & Davis, Ltd., founded in 1905, and later renamed The Rolex Watch Company, Ltd., in 1915.

Hans Wilsdorf, the founder and director of Rolex, was a strong proponent of wris####ches since the turn of the century. While others scoffed at them, Wilsdorf continued to experiment with their accuracy and reliability. Thus, some would argue that he did more for their advancement than anyone in history. In fact, he is even credited with sending the first wris####ches to the Neuchatel Observatory (Switzerland), for accuracy testing. They all passed the rigorous battery of tests, which encouraged Wilsdorf to push them even further.

Rolex subsequently received the very first wris####ch Chronometer awards from the School of Horology in Bienne (1910), and the Class “A” Certificate of Precision from the Kew Observatory in England (1914). To this day, Rolex watches consistently receive more Chronometer Certificates from the Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres (COSC), than every other watch company in the world, combined.

After the Great War, many soldiers returned home with souvenir trench watches—so named for the trench warfare in which they were used. When these war heroes were seen wearing them, the public’s perception quickly changed, and wris####ches were no longer deemed as feminine. After all, no one would dare consider these brave men as being anything but.

In the final years of the war, wris####ches began to see numerous improvements. Case makers like Francis Baumgartner, Borgel and Dennison introduced revolutionary designs, which aided in making them more resistant to water and dust. These designs were later improved on when Rolex introduced the first truly waterproof wris####ch, the Oyster, in 1926.

Also around this time, new models were first introduced with fixed lugs (often called “horns”), which gave them a more finished appearance. And to aid in their durability, new metal dials superceded porcelain, which had been quite susceptible to cracking and chipping and the fragile glass crystals were replaced with a newly invented synthetic plastic.

Over the next decade, watch companies slowly added additional models to their catalogs, and finally, by the mid-1930s, they accounted for 65 percent of all watches exported by Switzerland. It was an uphill battle, but the wris####ch had finally arrived. They were now accurate, waterproof and, by 1931, perpetually self-winding, when Rolex introduced the Auto Rotor, a revolutionary design, which is used to this day by watch companies around the world.

The success of the wris####ch was born out of necessity, and Rolex continued this tradition by introducing a series of Professional, or “tool watches” in the early 1950s. These models, including the Submariner, Explorer, GMT-Master, Turn-O-Graph, and Milgauss were also designed out of necessity, as they included features and attributes that were essential for a specific task or profession.

Because of its rugged design, variations of the Submariner have subsequently been issued to numerous militaries, including the British Royal Navy, Royal Canadian Navy and British Royal Marines, as well as the U.S. Navy Seals. Over the years, dozens of companies like Omega, Benrus and Panerai have also supplied specialty watch models for military duty.

Thus, the role of the wris####ch seems to have come full circle. With the general public now leaning toward high-tech, digital gadgets, the classic mechanical wris####ch has once again found its home on the wrists of those brave soldiers who welcomed it some 100 years ago.
 
The definitive text on this subject is Ziggy Wesolowski's Concise Guide to Military Timepieces You may find a copy at your local library or you can get it from Amazon as I did.

One of the problems with trying to trace a watch to an individual soldier is that most of the watches in public circulation were "lost", so the paper trail ends at that point. Who knows how many more times it changed hands after that? Plus we're talking about issue records for an individual almost 100 years ago. Most of those sorts of records are purged with regularity after the person is no longer a soldier. In some rare cases you will come across milwatches with papers showing some provenance, but these are few and far between.

The other main issue is that most of these watch manufacturers imploded in the 70s with the advent of quartz clock technology. In many cases all that remains today of the original company is the name. A lot of times the best you can get from some of the companies that still exist is delivery dates to one side or the other. And even then, Omega in particular, has been known to supply incorrect information. Or at least information that doesn't jive with other records.

US brands such as Elgin and Waltham can sometimes be researched on the National Association of Watch and Clock Collectors (http://www.nawcc.org). Your local library may also offer more information as most of the 'good' info on these is pre-internet.

The last resource I will recommend is the Military Watch Resource (http://www.broadarrow.net). This is a tightly focused web board, with several highly regarded contributing members. They make available a searchable DVD archive of the entire board since it's inception. Much valuable info there as well.

Whatever the case may be regarding your records search, I hope you continue to enjoy and love your old watches.
 
Wow thanks Mausermike that was a fantastic article! I had no idea where the Oyster perpetual or the Submariner came from before this. Also that photo is fantastic. Also there was nothing I needed more in my life right now is more3 cool stuff i have to spend a ton of money on.:D

Great photos and story Pepere.
 
here's my two waltham,the one with the wrist is functionnal.any thoughts?

The top mark is a broadarrow, or pheon, indicating that the marked item is the property of the Crown. The 6B is a British (and Canadian) WWII era code indicating that this watch was issued to aircrew. The 150 denotes the specific item. W-6595 and W-5694 are the serial numbers, and 42 is the year of issue.

Ziggy says: "In 1942 Waltham were contracted to supply the Royal Canadian Air Force with their new 16 jewel Model 10616-C-S-12 wris####ches. Apart from some cosmetic changes to the dial and hands, this rare RCAF version was the same as the US Army Air Forces' Type A-11 wris####ch. A waterproof case was used, which was engraved with Air Ministry flying equipment codes. Each wris####ch cost a total of $13.64 and came with a two-piece olive green canvas strap."

He lists the value as 180-200 pounds.

I've seen this model go for around $500 in good condition.

You can see how much more worn the case on the one on the left is. The one on the right is still sharp, amazing condition for their age. Don't let anyone polish or replate the cases - they're worth much more to collectors in their original condition. Same goes with the dial and hands. Do not do not do not let anyone 'clean' or 'restore' the dial.

Nice pieces of history you have there. Enjoy them!

-C.
 
thank you very,very much for these infos.amazing.
i still don't know if i should keep or sell them,i'm not really a watch collector but these have a very interresting history.
thanks again!
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allways neat to see this kind of stuff. i have one that was worn by a great uncle who was killed in the first war aswell. i dont know to much history on it, as in make or anything. it has a mica cristal which is well worn and yellowed. it also still runs like a top.

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and not quiet the same vintage or idea, but neat just the same, this one sits on the shelf and gets wound every week. still keeps great time. it says in the middle, bottom,if you look really hard : US NAVY WALTHAM

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allways neat to see this kind of stuff. i have one that was worn by a great uncle who was killed in the first war aswell. i dont know to much history on it, as in make or anything. it has a mica cristal which is well worn and yellowed. it also still runs like a top.

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It's probably an Elgin, Waltham, Bulova, Wittnauer or Cyma. These were the most prodigious "tonneau" watches of the period. It is also fixable, though the crystal may prove expensive. Glass replacements last longer if you are careful with them.

It was probably NOT worn in the military. Military watches tended to be round and very legible.

I's cool you have it though - VERY thumbs up!
 
it doesnt really need to be fixed, as it runs / keeps time great. as to replaceing the crystal, well, ive struggled with that, and i dont think i will. seems like it should stay the way it is.
 
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