What are the best AR brands?

Master Chan said:
I have a PWS MK110 and it is a great rifle. Accurate with exceptional fit and finish. The boys at ATRS are also working on a custom build for me right now. They are awesome. Can't wait. :)
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Yeah a friend of mine bought an ATRS lower and it was top notch, I have herd awesome reviews from others as well.

I have herd mixed reviews of NEA, a lot of bad things from there SL8 parts, was at the range on the weekend and met a guy that was complaining about his NEA SL8 parts he bought that did not fit properly or something... I was too busy shooting to investigate...
 
Epoxy7 said:
One thing which I was actually referring to though is that with the billet, they claim it's thicker. So that changes it a bit. I should have specified this. But ultimately who knows.
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The arguement that a billet upper is better( because it is thicker) could be a bit misleading. First of all, it is thicker because it costs money and time to machine it down to the same profile as a raw forging. That bulk is not needed. A proper light weight upper made of 7075 forging has been in service for over 45 years.

So you are carrying more weight because the manufacturing wants to cut down its machine time - the same thing that AR manufacturers were preaching heavy barrels in the old days because it cost time and money to profile barrels.

I could accept billet uppers are the choices if people want distinctive " custom look" for their uppers, or mono-lithic uppers where there are not commonly available dies to make raw forging. There is nothing wrong with getting something with distinctive asethetics at all. And billet uppers generally have better "fit and finish" because the manufacturers start with a blank plate, not a rough forging shaped by a die. On the other hand, with the availiability of raw forgings, billet upper is the path of " increased resistence" if function and efficiency are the priorities.

We do have to accept that firearms market is like any consumer items market. Sometimes it is all about product differentiation.
 
Yeah Darren you should become an HK dealer, deal with all the best companies only. Good company with KAC and some of the others you are working on bringing in...
 
Everyone know the greatest AR is made by Magpul, spits out thunder and fires lightning!!
 
The F/A would be nice once in a while...along with suppressors for my ears sake...

Put a KAC Lower on that 416 upper and it would the ###iest little beast out there...
 
greentips said:
The arguement that a billet upper is better( because it is thicker) could be a bit misleading. First of all, it is thicker because it costs money and time to machine it down to the same profile as a raw forging. That bulk is not needed. A proper light weight upper made of 7075 forging has been in service for over 45 years.

So you are carrying more weight because the manufacturing wants to cut down its machine time - the same thing that AR manufacturers were preaching heavy barrels in the old days because it cost time and money to profile barrels.

I could accept billet uppers are the choices if people want distinctive " custom look" for their uppers, or mono-lithic uppers where there are not commonly available dies to make raw forging. There is nothing wrong with getting something with distinctive asethetics at all. And billet uppers generally have better "fit and finish" because the manufacturers start with a blank plate, not a rough forging shaped by a die. On the other hand, with the availiability of raw forgings, billet upper is the path of " increased resistence" if function and efficiency are the priorities.

We do have to accept that firearms market is like any consumer items market. Sometimes it is all about product differentiation.
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When I was down in the states at the National Guard MTU I was getting a tour of their shops and armoury. I remember racks of hundreds of Krieger and Shillen barrels, walls of bins containing spare parts (bolts sorted to .0001" was a little beyond reasonable but hey they have the time) and a table covered in billet recievers, both uppers and lowers. They had been testing to see if they could squeeze any extra accuracy out of aftermarket recievers and their answer was no, billet recievers bring nothing but extra weight to the table. They had gone so far as to weld some of the uppers and lowers together to see if that would help.
It was interesting to talk with a group of people whose only goal is winning and their influence has helped create the cynic I now am.
 
greentips said:
The arguement that a billet upper is better( because it is thicker) could be a bit misleading. First of all, it is thicker because it costs money and time to machine it down to the same profile as a raw forging. That bulk is not needed. A proper light weight upper made of 7075 forging has been in service for over 45 years...
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You're preaching to the converted. It's why I listed it as a possible negative for the NEA in my original post. :D
I completely agree with your post. There were a few things in there that I didn't realize. Thanks for the overview.
 
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