I buy both R and NR guns - it does not matter to me, since I got range membership I no longer go in the bush anyways. In fact, I have more of R and love them more due to better ergonomics. As much as I hate current politics around guns, I'm trying to understand this rhetoric about NR being a better option. I do have NR which are currently banned, so what? I cannot shoot them same as R. What is the difference? Bury newly-illegal unreported NR in the woods as opposed to force-selling R to JT? In both scenarios you don't have a gun which you can legally own and use. If I would be really into owning prohib gun, why bother with those nosy barreled NR semis - might so buy and keep full-auto AK and be happy with it. No difference from legal prospective and jail time, but more fun to have it.
What are the chances WK180c is going to be banned?
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I buy both R and NR guns - it does not matter to me, since I got range membership I no longer go in the bush anyways. In fact, I have more of R and love them more due to better ergonomics. As much as I hate current politics around guns, I'm trying to understand this rhetoric about NR being a better option. I do have NR which are currently banned, so what? I cannot shoot them same as R. What is the difference? Bury newly-illegal unreported NR in the woods as opposed to force-selling R to JT? In both scenarios you don't have a gun which you can legally own and use. If I would be really into owning prohib gun, why bother with those nosy barreled NR semis - might so buy and keep full-auto AK and be happy with it. No difference from legal prospective and jail time, but more fun to have it.
That’s exactly why this happens in stages. They increase compliance exponentially when they take 100,000 guns here, 100,000 there, rather than all few million in one swoop.
In fact leaving the WK & Tavor unaffected will probably increase compliance with their AR buyback. People won’t fight back if you leave them a tiny reminder of the old ways they can cling to. Let people think they are pulling the wool over the government’s eyes by buying WKs and they are more likely to turn in all their ARs without fuss. Stores like TNA don’t disappear overnight if you leave them a little crumb.
By the time most fudds realize what’s happening the black rifle & handgun owners will already be paid off and moved on with their lives.
Divide and conquer.
Nobody know if there will be a buy back or if ever one, what monkey money you will get. The worse scenario is obligation to surrender or deactivate the gun with no compensation.
They can't really put it on the after the fact FRT ban list at the moment since it is well documented to be based on the AR180B ( which is in itself a non-restricted rifle) so it can't be lumped in with variants like they did with the SLR or Derya even. The SLR for example did not have a clear lineage so they could fudge it to be a "variant". The bigger risk is a blanket semi-auto, box fed type ban in my opinion. That being said, I will not be held hostage by the anti-gun crowd or the threat of bans. I will keep buying what is legal and enjoy the shooting sports and heritage activities that go along with that until I am forced to do otherwise.
And thats exactly what I suspect we will see at some point. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but before my kids graduate high school I would be SHOCKED if we don't see the Liberals going for an all-out ban on Semi Autos with Pistol grips and detachable box mags, or something to that effect. IMO its only a matter of time - once they can put the current ban behind them, they will have to pick a new target after all.
The only thing that will save us is a CPC majority in the next election, and I fear that only kicks the can down the road. At least the CPC has pledged to reverse the current ban, which would set the Liberals back a step, but that doesn't stop them from going after all Semi Autos next time they get in power unless the CPC does a major overhaul of the Firearms Act and relevant regulations.
My question to you all is how anonymous really are non restricted rifles that later become banned? Whilst there is not a formal LGR anymore, don’t gun stores keep some sort of record of an NR firearm being sold to the first owner and would be compelled to produce this if it was later required by law? Private transactions may be different but is it not feasible (and unfortunate) that these sale records can be used for a round up and extreme legal fees wielded as a deterrent for non compliance?
This is an academic question just on the theory of how these confiscations would occur, having not yet had my PAL arrive myself.
This is an academic question just on the theory of how these confiscations would occur, having not yet had my PAL arrive myself.
There is no record of it being sold except my credit card with my name on it used to make a purchase. And you can't get those records just by asking, if they are even kept anymore.
You can't prove I even have that gun or I didn't resell it immediately.
This. It is not a question of if it will be banned. Only when it will be banned.
These guns are so garbage I plan on selling mine in the government buy back even though it isn't banned, just because I doubt I can wait for some poor chap to come along and take it off my hands.
I never got through a single mag with out major feeding issues. To call the one I bought a 'semi automatic' is a joke. More like bolt action POS.
Sad when you buy Canadian you wish you had bought Chinese, but this pretty much sums up the overall state of Canada these days.
I hope the PLA never invades, I'd be reduced to throwing my 5.56 at them before I ever picked my Kodiak up.
I never got through a single mag with out major feeding issues. To call the one I bought a 'semi automatic' is a joke. More like bolt action POS.
Sad when you buy Canadian you wish you had bought Chinese, but this pretty much sums up the overall state of Canada these days.
I hope the PLA never invades, I'd be reduced to throwing my 5.56 at them before I ever picked my Kodiak up.
The UN has made it clear in writing that all civilians will be disarmed
They need a disarmed citizenry in order to force their depopulation agenda on us
It's all in writing, the wealthy and corrupt members there don't beat around the bush about this
Trudeau and Freeland have hitched their applecarts to them, so you know they will ban everything that goes bang
The 1 May OIC gun ban is "green" meaning that they can add new guns to the ban list whenever they wish
There is no requirement for them to inform owners that their property is now prohibited
They need a disarmed citizenry in order to force their depopulation agenda on us
It's all in writing, the wealthy and corrupt members there don't beat around the bush about this
Trudeau and Freeland have hitched their applecarts to them, so you know they will ban everything that goes bang
The 1 May OIC gun ban is "green" meaning that they can add new guns to the ban list whenever they wish
There is no requirement for them to inform owners that their property is now prohibited
I agree, with Liberals in power, we’ll end up with bolt-action rifles and double shotguns for hunting only if we’re lucky.
It won’t happen overnight but over the next 20 years or so.
lmao
You should start a poll on happy verses unhappy 180 owners, my buddy's has been problem except for an extractor spring after at least two years and a few thousand rounds. When we go out shooting he lets everyone in our group use it. Rather have it then a stick in dealing with the PLA. 
That dude is nuts
OP...your answer about the future lies here....right from the UN stance on firearms, and Trudeau and Liberals are 200% in support....UN link at bottom if you want to read more into it.
Reducing the existing civilian stockpile. Disarming civilian populations is more difficult than disarming governments. Nevertheless it is arguably more necessary, given that civilians constitute the overwhelming majority not only of gun owners, but also of the victims and perpetrators of gun violence.
4. RECUDING THE MOTIVATION FOR ACQUIRING GUNS (DEMAND)
The single most important step toward reducing demand for small arms is to enhance security, both in the reality and the perception. Strengthening security depends primarily on States and their policies to address the root causes of insecurity, relating to poverty, health, human rights, criminal and social justice. Improving perceptions of security involves many additional actors, including civil society and the media. Policies to reduce gun ownership provide benefits on both fronts, increasing both actual and perceived security, since the reason people want to have guns is because other people have them. Reducing the level of small arms proliferation is crucial in interrupting the spiral of insecurity.
Practical steps toward disarmament include regulation, procedural reform, reassurance, information and persuasion. The challenges are significant, but countered by the certain knowledge that doing nothing will produce an outcome which is more dangerous and even harder to defuse.
http://www.un.org/en/chronicle/artic...ingle-solution
Reducing the existing civilian stockpile. Disarming civilian populations is more difficult than disarming governments. Nevertheless it is arguably more necessary, given that civilians constitute the overwhelming majority not only of gun owners, but also of the victims and perpetrators of gun violence.
4. RECUDING THE MOTIVATION FOR ACQUIRING GUNS (DEMAND)
The single most important step toward reducing demand for small arms is to enhance security, both in the reality and the perception. Strengthening security depends primarily on States and their policies to address the root causes of insecurity, relating to poverty, health, human rights, criminal and social justice. Improving perceptions of security involves many additional actors, including civil society and the media. Policies to reduce gun ownership provide benefits on both fronts, increasing both actual and perceived security, since the reason people want to have guns is because other people have them. Reducing the level of small arms proliferation is crucial in interrupting the spiral of insecurity.
Practical steps toward disarmament include regulation, procedural reform, reassurance, information and persuasion. The challenges are significant, but countered by the certain knowledge that doing nothing will produce an outcome which is more dangerous and even harder to defuse.
http://www.un.org/en/chronicle/artic...ingle-solution
The Liberals and their tow the line Pony Soldiers will tell everyone that they made our society safer, while pushing the loss of personal freedom and rights Liberal Socialist agenda.
But in reality like Australia and New Zealand, all they have done is moved huge numbers of guns from public view, guns will never disappear from a free society...........
Compliance is always around 20%, so no the Liberals will never win.
But in reality like Australia and New Zealand, all they have done is moved huge numbers of guns from public view, guns will never disappear from a free society...........
Compliance is always around 20%, so no the Liberals will never win.
