What are the the ethics here?

Rugdoc

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Last fall in northern BC my buddy and me were moose hunting and camped at the end of a big lake.

There was a rough road that went past our camp and along the lake to a river that drained into the lake. It took about an hour by truck it was so rough.

We went one day and found good grouse hunting along that track. At the end, at the river was the set-up for what looked like an annual camp. schithouse, fire circle, hanging poles, tent site, you've seen it a hundred times.

The river had a little rapids to it then entered a nice calm lagoon type area that we thought might be nice to boat-hunt.

Well, a few days later we pumped up the inflateable and mounted the outboard and powered over to that river, removed the engine, portaged up the rapids and entered the lagoon and rowed along the shore there. Buddy dropped me off to hunt the timber on foot and he carried on to explore the other side.

In the afternoon we met up and on the way back to the lake, sure enough, somebody had come and set up camp at the campsite. We said hello and asked what did they know about the area, and what their plans were and they said that upstream of the lagoon was a wicked rapids and they wouldn't recommend anybody go there, it was tough, it was scary, there were sweepers in the river, they only did it pulling a canoe up the rapids with waders, yada yada yada. They were there to hunt and fish.

We said, oh yeah, well our buddy was arriving soon with a canoe and we'd like to take him exploring up the river later in the week.

"OH. Well. We've got three more guys coming to this camp," they said. So it was pretty obvious they were staking sole proprietary rights to the place.

We didn't go back because we had plenty of other options including our secret trick, which was that we had found access to the river several km above those guys by bucking a trail down to the river from an overgrown logging road and putting the canoe in there and drifting down to the "scary" rapids in the wide calm part of the river.

But the question is: How ethical is it to claim sole hunting rights along a river if anyone else can raft it or canoe it too?

It's kind of like camping right on a road where there is 40 or 50 km more of huntable land on the other side of the camp isn't it?

Just asking. We didn't push it. There was lots of other country. We had an LEH permit and they were there for the bow-hunting season. I had a feeling they made an annual trip of it.

I had to leave for work and after that my buddies got a moose each road hunting there anyway.
 
There's no such thing as claiming an area. Use common courtesy, communicate to stay out of each others way if you can, but it's public land and public waterways, so just use it as you wish. Lots of people like to try to stake a clamn though.

Just don't be an a$$hole. Everyone should remember that and there shouldn't be any problems.
 
It's not a real great attitude on their part. They probably just figured if you would back down, as you did, it was a win-win for them. Some people have no scruples. You appear to have done the right thing.
In these situations we often have to decide whether or not it's worth making an issue of. It's usually easier not to.
 
There's no such thing as claiming an area. Use common courtesy, communicate to stay out of each others way if you can, but it's public land and public waterways, so just use it as you wish. Lots of people like to try to stake a clamn though.

Just don't be an a$$hole. Everyone should remember that and there shouldn't be any problems.

I couldn't have said it better.

And now for a dancing banana: :dancingbanana:
 
We all need share the resources .
Wen you think about it what if the local guiding outfitter or local trapper was to come along and ask you to move your camp
I bet the other hunters had plan ther hunt for at least a year just like you
You can make sum pretty good new friends well on a hunting trip
Except It as part of your Adventure and don't turn a ant hill into a Mountain
That being said if someone told me I had to move my camp I would tell them to piss up a rope
 
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The ethics are some people will appeal to the basic human decency and desire to get along that most people have; then use it to screw over everyone to get what they want. Next is the logic stage where they explain that the only logical result is they get what they want and you get lost. If that doesn't work the next move is to get a bit belligerent to resonate with most people's desire to not make waves. Did they make it to stage 2 or 2 1/2 before you caved?

These times are awkward. Its too late be nice, and still way too early to burn them out.;) These things are usually won by the most stubborn. Both sides know they have no real claim.
 
I've been in that situation numerous times in different scenarios in life, mainly fishing and aviation. I find it easiest to act stupid and happy, I act as if I didn't catch all their not too subtle hints due to being stupid and carrying on as if I'm happy. The part comes naturally enough to me, and it's tough to get angry at somebody who apparently doesn't know what's going on, and is happy. They really have to make the conscious decision to go to Dogleg's described stage 2 1/2 to get their point across, and most won't.
 
I've been in that situation numerous times in different scenarios in life, mainly fishing and aviation. I find it easiest to act stupid and happy, I act as if I didn't catch all their not too subtle hints due to being stupid and carrying on as if I'm happy. The part comes naturally enough to me, and it's tough to get angry at somebody who apparently doesn't know what's going on, and is happy. They really have to make the conscious decision to go to Dogleg's described stage 2 1/2 to get their point across, and most won't.

This is exactly what I do in the situation. I'm not a belligerent person, I'm also not willing to be a pushover. I just smile, say "awesome, sounds like fun" and go and do whatever it is I was doing.
 
You can tell them the game is very spooky and you were lucky just to get the few sound shots you did get. Or act like you're all sympathetic about how crowded the bush is now-a-days and how you sure hope they have a couple back-up plans cause you know how it feels when someone gets there first. Aho, no back-up plan? That's too bad, should always have a couple of those, I guess you live and learn. Act like you're sad for them when in fact you're just saying the same thing they are trying to imply. It's all a big mind game.

"You're not from around here, are you?" Used to work.
 
A buddy of mine had a good one ....."Keep your eyes peeled cause I gut shot a grizzly here yesterday and haven't been able to find him yet. I hear him every now and then but just can't get another round in him."

Like Angus, I just act ignorant and happy and act like I'm hunting caribou when I'm hunting sheep or black bear when I'm hunting moose.............
 
^ I also heard there is a grizzly bear that likes to hang out by the pond I fish in.

Its too late be nice, and still way too early to burn them out.

I have experienced this feeling while ice fishing.
 
I have run into this situation a few times... one led to a physical altercation where the police got involved... no charges pressed, but it was basically a mess... some people set up their motor homes in such a way that they blocked a boat launch to an area we have hunted for 30 years... when we arrived at 7 am, they were all sleeping, I lightly knocked on the trailer door of both vehicles and requested that they move enough so that we could slip by... the first group obliged, the second fella was full of beer, p!ss and vinegar and refused... I did my best to squeak around and Jack knife the boat down the slope, but when I swung the front of the truck, it knocked over their camp table... the guy got belligerent and ended up pushing my teenage son, so I threw him down the slope into the river... he tried to attack up the slope, but a light push sent him back for another swim, after which he settled down, until the police arrived... after hearing the stories the police officer suggested that he would press charges all around and let the court sort it out... I said we were not interested in charging anyone, we just wanted to go hunting. The other fella was eating crow by then... so the officer told them to pack up and escorted them away from the area blocking egress... we were in the bush, portaged two lakes away for 7 days... and the whole time I was convinced our vehicle was going to get vandalized... but it was fine when we returned... basically the situation was a sh!t show and I highly recommend avoiding a similar scenario.
 
I was taught this Fall that if you are on a quad then point the quad in the direction of your travel when you park. That lets other hunters know you are heading up that spur road etc and that road is "yours". I do not like the idea of claiming areas depending on the circumstances.
 
This land is our land. People get a proprietary sense in a hurry. We are extremely spoiled in BC for having the bush to ourselves with little effort. A difficult situation when you are just out trying to have a good time. Confrontation is the last thing you need. People squatting in Forest Service campsites is probably my pet peeve. We have it very good out west.
 
A buddy of mine had a good one ....."Keep your eyes peeled cause I gut shot a grizzly here yesterday and haven't been able to find him yet. I hear him every now and then but just can't get another round in him."

Like Angus, I just act ignorant and happy and act like I'm hunting caribou when I'm hunting sheep or black bear when I'm hunting moose.............

LOL that's awesome..
To add to it, "With my .22" to make sure they think you're completely nuts.
Aww man I wish I hadn't read this, I have the giggles now and its bedtime!
 
I have run into this situation a few times... one led to a physical altercation where the police got involved... no charges pressed, but it was basically a mess... some people set up their motor homes in such a way that they blocked a boat launch to an area we have hunted for 30 years... when we arrived at 7 am, they were all sleeping, I lightly knocked on the trailer door of both vehicles and requested that they move enough so that we could slip by... the first group obliged, the second fella was full of beer, p!ss and vinegar and refused... I did my best to squeak around and Jack knife the boat down the slope, but when I swung the front of the truck, it knocked over their camp table... the guy got belligerent and ended up pushing my teenage son, so I threw him down the slope into the river... he tried to attack up the slope, but a light push sent him back for another swim, after which he settled down, until the police arrived... after hearing the stories the police officer suggested that he would press charges all around and let the court sort it out... I said we were not interested in charging anyone, we just wanted to go hunting. The other fella was eating crow by then... so the officer told them to pack up and escorted them away from the area blocking egress... we were in the bush, portaged two lakes away for 7 days... and the whole time I was convinced our vehicle was going to get vandalized... but it was fine when we returned... basically the situation was a sh!t show and I highly recommend avoiding a similar scenario.

Wowsers, that's horrible. My Uncles and cousins used to go up north of Shining tree well north of Sudbury every year for many years when I was a kid. I recall they used to have more booze in their trucks than gear, I couldn't count the cases of beer. One year one of them shot a loon, and sure as #### an MNR officer just happened to come by and caught them with the dead loon. Asked them all to pipe up who done it, nobody talked, so he charged them all. When I was hunting age, I kinda always wanted to go with them as I had never been moose hunting, but after my Dad told me this story it changed my mind in a big hurry. Lost a lot of respect for the whole group, used to look up to them so much as a youngster and it sure was a disappointment to hear what a stupid thing they did, was kind of glad they got their just rewards.
 
Life is to short to argue with idiots while out hunting...I usually just wish them good luck and continue on with my plans. The vast majority of hunters are great people but there is always that small percentage that believe they own it all.

Any and all crown land is open to all equally.
 
There are some real wing nuts out there. I try to avoid the weekend warriors, some of them are nuts and for safety reasons I prefer not hunting anywhere near them.
Some times playing stupid and baffling them with bull$hit is hilarious.
 
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