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Might they be muzzle protectors when cleaning from the muzzle end of Lee Enfield Trainers ? Although the puzzling part is why one wouldnt clean from the breach so maybe thats not what they are for

The small end of the hole measures 0.265" . And they are marked " PH "
which must be Parker Hale . They split and clamp on the bbl

If I knew what they were and what they would be worth Id sell them

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Hi Bugsy. yes, they are muzzle clamps for the purpose of guiding the insertion of a cleaning rod with brush attachment. Of course the muzzle crown and the rifling near the muzzle are most import to preserve as clean and dry with no striations or corrosive chemical deposits. Both tools are for the same rifle - the .303 SMLE. Formally called the #2 tool as the first tool was for the long Lee. One tool is commercial sold by Parker Hale and the other is a British government tool with the broad arrow. Both tools are pre WW2.

JOHN
 
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Hi Woodchopper. Bugsy put a pic on of some interesting SMLE tools that are rarely seen wanting confirmation that they were just as he suspected. I confirmed what they were but added to the story. It appears that you have objected saying its not the EE. I don't understand the
reasoning. Did I break any rule? I have seen many comments on this site that I consider offensive and the gents blowing off steam don't consider how hurtful and ignorant some comments can be. I would hope that my comment was informative and thus positive toward not only the owner but also to the gun nutz community as a whole. I did not value the items as I know values are subjective. And there was no exchange requested or pending. I do not use a alias or pen name. So . . what is the problem? John
 
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Hi Bugsy. yes, they are muzzle clamps for the purpose of guiding the insertion of a cleaning rod with brush attachment. Of course the muzzle crown and the rifling near the muzzle are most import to preserve as clean and dry with no striations or corrosive chemical deposits. Both tools are for the same rifle - the .303 SMLE. Formally called the #2 tool as the first tool was for the long Lee. One tool is commercial sold by Parker Hale and the other is a British government tool with the broad arrow. Both tools are pre WW2.

JOHN
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It's generally agreed that these were made for the "Long Lee Enfields" as the muzzle of the SMLE is almost entirely behind the nosecap. I expect that's what you meant to say J.T.?
 
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Hi Gents. Green is correct. The tool for the Long Lee Enfield is different and of course it wasn't marked with a No.1 as at the point in time the
SMLE was not manufactured. Also the barrel diameter is larger for the Long Lee. I have both the No. 1 and No. 2 tools and the No. 2 tool for
the light barreled Mk I and Mk II Ross rifle. The tool for the Ross is marked No. 2 but has the C broad arrow stamped on it as some of us know became the standard government acceptance mark in 1907. The individual soldier did not strip his SMLE rifle - only a base workshop armourer so that makes these tools very exclusive in issue. Having over 55 years of collecting experience I have yet to discover a rod/and/or brush that could have been on issue. Anyone ever seen one? I keep thinking along the lines of the PH rod/brush but never seen one with a government mark. Should any collector like a pic or two of the tools I can send to an e-mail. JOHN
 
jtaylor said:
Hi Woodchopper. Bugsy put a pic on of some interesting SMLE tools that are rarely seen wanting confirmation that they were just as he suspected. I confirmed what they were but added to the story. It appears that you have objected saying its not the EE. I don't understand the
reasoning. Did I break any rule? I have seen many comments on this site that I consider offensive and the gents blowing off steam don't consider how hurtful and ignorant some comments can be. I would hope that my comment was informative and thus positive toward not only the owner but also to the gun nutz community as a whole. I did not value the items as I know values are subjective. And there was no exchange requested or pending. I do not use a alias or pen name. So . . what is the problem? John
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Woodchopper is one of the nicest, sincere Mods here, but I agree that the trolls,shills have taken over CGN, sadly we are witnessing the demise of what once was the most fun and informative online site in Canada, hopefully either Greentips will wake up and crackdown or a new platform will emerge, somewhat like what led to the creation of CGN.
I truly hope I am wrong.
 
TANK1867 said:
Woodchopper is one of the nicest, sincere Mods here, but I agree that the trolls,shills have taken over CGN, sadly we are witnessing the demise of what once was the most fun and informative online site in Canada, hopefully either Greentips will wake up and crackdown or a new platform will emerge, somewhat like what led to the creation of CGN.
I truly hope I am wrong.
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I've been busy, on other parts of the forum. Some of the trolls just keep coming back.

This thread is a little confusing because there was some discussion earlier in this thread that was removed.

Its all good now and everyone is happy.
 
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