Steve Janes
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The one I just got is called "IPSC Shot Timer (Beta)"
What are your favorite rifle drills?
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Steve Janes
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Glad you enjoyed it, I have been working on those mag changes for awhile, I feel that I perform better when I do something so repetitively that it becomes muscle memory, the better your muscle memory is, the better your brain will work under stress.Think of it like Sports, If you practice your break away move/mag change, 1000 times, then when you skate in with a defender on your back, or have to shoot while under stress, you just use that "go to move" on instinct, instead of having to think about it too much, if at all.
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Lots and lots of good advice here.
Mag changes are fundamental. When you practice your mag changes under stress (light conditions, positions, uncomfortable shooting positions like in CQB, cold weather, wet hands with water/oil/hydraulic fluid, multiple mag changes) that is time well spent. And you don't have to do it at a range or under live fire conditions. Any drills that teach intimate rifle/pistol/shotgun/knife/stick, etc, etc are all good.
Cheers,
Barney
Mag changes are fundamental. When you practice your mag changes under stress (light conditions, positions, uncomfortable shooting positions like in CQB, cold weather, wet hands with water/oil/hydraulic fluid, multiple mag changes) that is time well spent. And you don't have to do it at a range or under live fire conditions. Any drills that teach intimate rifle/pistol/shotgun/knife/stick, etc, etc are all good.
Cheers,
Barney
Clobbersauras
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Just a little modified 2X2X2 drill. Sucks having to put one in the pipe and load a fresh mag due to mag restrictions. First run 2.07, second run 2.29. I learn something every time; for this drill I found that if I tried to find the front sight when presenting the rifle I found my red dot much more quickly. For the record, I know these times are very slow. I've seen videos of guys hitting 1.25 on this drill.
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Steve Janes
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Yes, more than a few times. No video of this, sorry. Communication with your team mate or mate's is crucial to doing it safely, each man basically needs to call out there actions as they do perform them. Before you and your team mate do the run, decide what your basic one word terms are going to be, agree upon what you will be yelling when your changing a magazine, or when beginning to advance again, or when taking cover, you don't want one guy yelling something the other guy mus-interperets while on the range with no precise firing line.
When using 2 runners and a logging road, we sometimes designate one side of the road to each shooter and place the targets at the end of the road, thereby eliminating your partner from being in the line of fire. Another way to do it is to set up all your target's along somewhere off to say, the left side of the road, then during the run shooting, from either shooter, will only take place from the left half of the road toward the left side of the road, this leaving the right hand side of the logging road completely safe to advance y running behind your team mate to the right while he is shooting to the left. If that makes any sense.....
I would suggest being VERY comfortable with one's partner before doing these types of drill's. In fact the only people I practice this type of thing with are people I have been shooting with since the beginning, family and long time friends. Without being completely comfortable and communicative with your partner, these drills can be very dangerous. Otherwise it's great practice and great fun. Get's that heart rate up, that's for sure.
Here's some more recent video
Couldn't agree more. I've been shooting for several years with the same guy and I trust him with my life. He is also an excellent shooter. We run advanced drills but it started out years ago slow and dry. Not only would i need to know this person for an extended period of time, but their competency and skill level must be stellar as well. Especially if the 2 of you are not holding the same line of fire. Done safely with experienced shooters, there's really nothing like it.
Can also help to do a slow talk through walk through of your CoF, that way when you do go live you both (or all) have a rough understanding of where each other will be and what you'll be doing.
As for rifle drills, varying distances, stoppages, emergency reloads, transitions, using cover, walking while shooting. Don't forget , have a friend occasionally call out an extra shot or two to simulate the target getting back up (learned that one from a buddy). Does no good to train your mind that a target is always down after 2 or 3 shots, change it up. Also make sure you have SA (situational awareness) on what else is going on around you, don't get tunnel vision on the one target.
As for rifle drills, varying distances, stoppages, emergency reloads, transitions, using cover, walking while shooting. Don't forget , have a friend occasionally call out an extra shot or two to simulate the target getting back up (learned that one from a buddy). Does no good to train your mind that a target is always down after 2 or 3 shots, change it up. Also make sure you have SA (situational awareness) on what else is going on around you, don't get tunnel vision on the one target.
great idea. I plan on filming some drills the next time I get out. its amazing what you can see on video that you dont think you are doing at the time.
question on your mag changes, are you worried about your mags or trying to not get them dirty? I guess it depends on what you're training for, but it seems like it would be an easy way to shave some time by abandoning the dump pouch reach, when doing mag changes.
Accuracy and the principles of marksmanship is the core fundimental(s) that should never take a back seat to any practice you do (IMHO), and should always be part of any practice you do.
Doing a 2.5sec. 1-5 or a 4.5sec. El. Prez is pointless if you are spraying your target.
I often see guys ripping rounds at 5 or 7 yards with their training, and while the times are respectable, the target looks like I attacked it with a sawn-off shotgun.
I always start and end with accuracy drills - warm up, work out, cool down.
Steve Janes
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I'm definitely not worried about my mags getting beat up or dirty, I do agree that I may be able to shave some time by just ditching them after each mag change, however, the problem for me with not retaining your magazine's, is that when you need more magazines, you won't have them. Real life is not call of duty ( not that this is what you were suggesting or anything), and every time you re-supply on ammo, in my experience it's usually not conveniently stored in magazines, especially magazines that work in my rifle. This is why I almost always retain my magazines, otherwise when you need them you won't have any.
Remember that movie Black Hawk down? I read somewhere that during that firefight (which lasted all day and all night long) several re-supply's of ammo needed to be choppered in for the ranger's, as they had been engaged all day long and were running low on ammo. Well, in come the ammo drops and surprise surprise, it's all loaded in stripper clips. Apparently the ranger's had been ditching there magazines all day long expecting nothing more than a short 15-30 minute mission, BAD IDEA, stripper clips don't exactly work very well without a magazine to load them into. From what I read, they had to actually heli drop extra magazines during the evening on account of the troops running low on not only ammo but magazine's too. Retain your magazine's. Definitely one of my motto's
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I can't say that I do any super tactical drills but I do certainly shoot with practical applications in mind. I have to say though, I think alot of people (whether by choice or not) tend to do alot of short range CQB type practice and let their ability to take shots at 100m+ suffer. I try to do CQB stuff as well but I always like to practice my longer range skills and ry to improve my accuracy at longer ranges while retaining a red dot.
I would challenge people who have the ability to continue your CQB practice but also to make sure you can be combat effective at 2,3,400m with just a red dot.
I would challenge people who have the ability to continue your CQB practice but also to make sure you can be combat effective at 2,3,400m with just a red dot.
Steve Janes
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I can go about 80% hits on a figure 11 at 500 meters with the iron sights on my Swiss Arms
Haven't shot with the old man at 500m, but shooting his XCR on a figure 11 at 400m with an Aimpoint comp3 he doesn't often miss. At 400m we both get about 95% hits on the fig.11, him with the aimpoint and myself on the drum sight (when you think about it, a fig.11 is a huge target, even at 400m with iron sights) The 55gr really start to suffer beyond about 450m, of course lack of magnification has a lot more to do with it.
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I will always start and end my day with precision shooting. "You can't miss fast enough" as they say. There is debate to the quote "Speed is fine but accuracy is final". Depends on the situation, but my accuracy will never take a back seat to speed.
Clobbersauras
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Agreed. By pure accuracy stuff, I mean bench rested slow fire, where the only measurement is group size.
Like I said, I don't do that much anymore.
If you look closely at my video's posted in this thread (and I apologize for the quality), you will see that I am most certainly not shotgun blasting my targets. If you look closely in the second video you can actually see the impacts on the target.
Clobbersauras
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Shooting ammo someone else paid for is almost as good as drinking booze someone else paid for.
Almost.
