What bullet weight for .300 mag?

Well after Gatehouse's post and a quick pm to Tod, I decided to go in between to start with. I got a box of 175gr LRX on the way.:D

Now if someone wants to volunteer a couple of 168gr and 180gr TTSX, I could do a side by side comparaison in the Test Tube.;)
 
Steve, I've already said in the past that I was into volunteering some 168 TSX bullets for you, and even helping out, if you needed any assistance. :)

As for the .300 Magnum discussion, this is something I have also been pondering for some time, but now more than ever because I'm putting a new barrel in .300 Winchester Magnum on a hunting P-14. Because of the age of this rifle (literally approaching 100 years), I've made it a policy never to load it to the redline, but instead load to the level of a very hot .30-06. With its original barrel, for example, I loaded it with 150-grain Hornadys at about 3,100, but I only ever used it for paper punching (where it shot better than most fancy new rifles with premium factory ammunition).

I can say this: for my main .300 Winchester Magnum -- a Sako L61R Finnbear with a 22.5-inch barrel -- the load I've settled on for all purposes is a 180 Accubond pushed by a maximum load of Vihtavuori N560. I'm pushing an honest 3,100 over the chronograph and getting accuracy for the first three shots that hovers around 1/2 m.o.a. I've also shot this rifle and load at Vokes at 600 metres and stroked the V-Bull (using the third mildot), so I know it works for long range.

On the other hand, my hunting .30-06 is loaded with 168 TSXs and is also pushed by a max load of N560 for between 2,950 and 3,000 velocity. It also delivers about 1/2 m.o.a. for the first three shots out of my Rem 700 Stainless Mountain Rifle, but I've never shot it beyond 300. (However, at 300 yards, it absolutely flattened a large Muley near Williams Lake in '06.)

Here's the way I look at it:

For true long range hunting (where you want to feel confident that the rifle has the accuracy and ballistics to shoot at 500 or beyond) I'd go with a 180 Accubond. This bullet oozes ballistic coefficient and has proven long range accuracy to work way, way out there. At .300 Winchester Magnum velocities, this load will work for anything in North America, from 5 feet to 600 metres, assuming that you and the rifle/scope are up to the task.

I just don't have any experience of shooting the Barnes bullets at extreme ranges, so I'm not sure how they hold up way out there. Once you start shooting really long ranges, you'll soon realize that bullets that are superb, one-hole performers at 100 yards, sometimes don't shoot too well at 600. This is why competition bullets are designed the way they are. And the Accubond seems to be basically good enough to use as a competition bullet.

If you absolutely plan to keep your shots inside 500, then I think the 150 TSX or 168 TSX (or plastic tipped versions) would be outstanding. I like the idea of using the lighter bullets and being able to push them to velocities around 3,100. These would actually be very mellow loads in a .300 magnum, but give better performance than any .30-06, even a highly souped-up .30-06 like mine. Personally, I'm planning to eventually choose one of these bullets for the re-barreled P-14 I mentioned at the beginning of this post and load it to a velocity of between 3,000 to 3,100, if I can find accuracy there.

As to whether to go for a 130-grain bullet... that is an interesting idea. Personally, I'd shy away from it because sometimes .300 Mags can deliver questionable accuracy with super light bullets (all that blast pushing a little bullet through a 1-10 twist can create all kinds of interesting vibrations and stresses). In any event, I don't see the advantage of using such a light bullet. If you really want to shoot long range, the 180 Accubond is hard to beat, and all the extra velocity offered by a 130 won't add up to the ballistic coefficient advantage of the 180 Accubond. For lighter, general purpose loads with less recoil than conventional .300 mag loads, just go with the 150 or 168. It's easier to make these bullets shoot well in a .300 mag with conventional powders and pressures. But these are just my thoughts.

I'm also very intrigued by new 175 TTSX. I'd love to hear how it performs past 500. It could be in the running as the best all-around choice.
 
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When i used to reload for a .300 Weatherby Mag. the most effective loads on big moose were the 200 gr. Speer spitzer and the 220 gr. Sierra RN., the 200 gr. at just over 3000fps and the 220 gr. at just under 3000fps.
 
When i used to reload for a .300 Weatherby Mag. the most effective loads on big moose were the 200 gr. Speer spitzer and the 220 gr. Sierra RN., the 200 gr. at just over 3000fps and the 220 gr. at just under 3000fps.

Hahaha Ben, you're showing your age. I allways shot 200s in my 300 mags., mainly, Noslers. Whole new world out there with the new bullets. I don't use my 300s any more, when I need something in that range my 338/225 TTSX is it. For Moose and Elk with a 300 either the 168 or 180 Barnes should be perfect.
 
I like choosing the bullet weight according to which caliber is going to be launching them. I started with Speer 200gr GS in my .300 Wby but have now settled on the 180 TSX, mostly because it gives me the velocity I want and better accuracy out of my Weatherby MK-V than the GS did.

I also load for the .30-06, but haven't had as much time to search for an ideal load, yet. It shoots great on paper with Hornady's 165gr SP, but since I've had a bad experience with those bullets out of my .300 Wby, I am now loading the Hornady 165gr GMX (which is sort of a copy of the Barnes LRX)

Now for my .308 Win I load the 150gr Winchester FS. I haven't had the time to do much testing for this one either, but I shot a deer last November that made it only about 10m away from where it was shot, so I know they work. However, in the end I might end up loading for all of them with Barnes TSX or TTSX, mainly because of the nice accuracy I get with them out of my MK-V. I know, that doesn't mean they'll shoot the same in my other rifles, but I think I still have a good chance. :)

Hey Ben, what loads are you using to get over 3000 fps with the 200gr bullets? I tried H870 and IMR-7828 but was never able to reach 3000 fps. Also, both powders were seriously affected by cold temperatures, loosing even more velocity during hunting season. That is why I settled on the 180gr bullets and RL22, I can get honest 3,290 fps with them. Mind you, the only moose I've had the chance to shoot was shot with the 200gr GS at 225M, off hand, and I heard the 3 bullets slapping into it. Pretty amazing!
 
Steve, I've already said in the past that I was into volunteering some 168 TSX bullets for you, and even helping out, if you needed any assistance. :)

Thanks for the offer but I'll try to keep it to all TTSX for consistency. Hint, hint anybody.:D
 
My 300 mag dont see much action since 2005 but i did settle on a very accurate load that prove itself killing very cleanly two mooses in their tracks... My load is 190 grs Hornady SP 72.5 grs of H-4831 Fed 210 primer oal to fit the mag at 3.347, very good hunting load printing a ragged hole at 100 metres, the rifle is a Sako Hunter mounted with Leopold 3X9X40 VR111X a very sure weapon... JP.
 
Here is some good reading on 130grTTSX

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=246742

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=251524

Nutshell:

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From left to right we have:

180gr TSX
16" penetration
179.7gr retained

180gr FS
16.25" penetration
173.2gr retained (Although a petal broke off and was with the bullet, but I lost it before I weighed it)

130gr TTSX
15.75" penetration
129.6gr retained

180gr NP
15.5" penetration
121.6gr retained

180gr Hornady Interlock
14.25" penetration
124.9 gr retained

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So, we see the FS penetrated the most, with less expansion.

The Hornady proved that heavy bullets at moderate weight will still penetrate well, although the Hornady was mangled in the end, and may not have stood up at higher speeds.

The NP did what they often do when stressed- shed the front and leave the rear to penetrate deeply.

The 2 TSX bullets penetrated about the same, although the 130gr expanded larger due to higher velocity.

I'd still use the 180gr TSX if I was going to use my 300WSM on a grizzly hunt, but I think the 130gr TTSX should do very well as a general purpose load. Going at 3500 FPS, you won't even have to think abotu elevation correction to about 400 yards, I bet. (Although i haven't crunched numbers yet)
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Great terminal performance comparison data and pictures gatehouse. Bravo!:wave:
 
Got my 175gr LRX today, pretty sleek looking bullet. I'm in the middle of some renos but I'll try to find time to fire one the Test Tube tomorrow.
 
What bullet weight do you guys use in your .300 mag. I recently picked up a model 70 in .300 WSM to play with. My initial thought was that if your going to shoot a .300 mag might as well shoot at least a 180gr bullet. Now I'm thinking that with a TTSX a 168gr might be just as good if not better. Would a 180gr TTSX have anything on a 168gr TTSX.

Keep in mind that this rifle will not be used for deer and only an alternate to my Whelen for moose and possibly elk.
I have a 308 Norma Magnum and will not use any bullet less than 180 gr in large part due to my discussions with an African PH who for had kept records for many years about each animal taken by his clients including species, distance, calibre and bullet weight. This experienced hunter with personal knowledge was a proponent of heavier weight bullets over "extra" velocity. In his experience, on a wide variety of game of different sizes, the heavier bullets simply worked better in all aspects. I even have some 200 gr Grand Slams loaded for my Norma. If I want to use a lighter weight bullet I go down in calibre to a 270 where I load 140 gr or a 257 where I load 117 gr.
 
I settled on the 190 Sierra MK moly as I got 500 for $100, and the Hornady 190 BTSP. Both shoot to the same point at 300 yards. Smacked one bear at 265 yards.
 
My general go to bullet for my 300WM is a Hornady 165 SST. I poke it out the bore at 3210-3230 using more R-22 than most of the books recommend, and it give good hunting level accuracy at that speed. Laser flat trajectory for the first 350 yards, which for most hunters is a stretch. Never had anything go more than 50 yards after being hit by it.
 
I use 190 SMKs in one, and 168 TSXs in another. Then there's the 180 A-Frames in another one, another that gets along with 180 grain Partitions. Then there's 180 grain ballistic tips that always seem to shoot in any .300, and the Hornadys and Sierras that will still be killing things long after we're all gone.

As much fun as it is to agonize about bullet choice, the only time I shot something with a .300 that I wished for something else was with a 190 Grain Berger VLD.
 
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