david doyle said:Well, I know this will not sit well with most but having killed a 6 foot black bear at 7 yrds with it and not having a 45-70 I will take my 6.5x55 full military M38 swede loaded with a norman alaskan at 2650. Why? like I said I do not have a 45-70 (yet) but most importantly I trust this gun, know how to shoot it and can hit the bear exactly where I want to.
Worst feeling I ever had was being in the willows with a bear that was protecting a dead fawn, I had a scoped 30-06 loaded hot with a quality 200 grain bullet. The rifle was scoped and I had never shot it at a 10 yrd target. I felt scared and would have traded it for a lightly loaded, open sighted swede in a heart beat. Luckily for me I did not have to start shooting.
Trust in a rifle and practice with it to me out wiegh all other considerations. The penetration of the high BC 160 grain bullet is also important so is the ability to load/top up a the magazine with stripper clips.
Even with a .470 nitro bear killing can be a protracted battle. If I was choosing a firearm strictly for bear defense It would always be my 870 loaded with 2 3/4 slugs X 6. But for hunting/protection mauser all the way. 2nd chose would be a no.4 SMLE. fast and lots of bullets.
Sporterized JC #5............1.5 X 5 scope with see thro rings... 11 rounds of 215g ammo
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