What can I bring back over the boarder myself ?

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Ok so from what I have reAd is that you can't bring a fully functional gun back to Canada from the states on your own has to be threw a dealer. Right ?
So what can I bring back ?
I was looking at a ATI archangel 10/22 kit , it's no part of the mechanical gun workings just a stock and some furnarure. So would that be ok ?

How about ammo? Thought we where allowed to bring certain stuff back.
But the states legally isn't allowed to sell to a non American ? But what if they did ? We take it to the boarder ( Canadian side ) and it would be ok ?

So is any of that true. Been trying to Google it and now I have reAd so much that it isn't making sence now hahaha maybe cuz it's 3am Right now ?
 
The issue is export from the US.
Gun parts, like the stock you want, may be exported by a licenced exporter, a US business.
Cross border shopping for guns, gun parts, ammunition, components is a non-starter.
 
Lots of threads on this here. Just run a search using border and change the time limit beyond two weeks in the search parameters.

But you really can't bring much back. No guns, no ammo, and no reloading components. Reloading tools ok. No optics. Sucks, but it's US law. It's not an importing into Canada issue, it's an exporting from the US issue.
 
OK: books. Tools, cleaning supplies, slings, scope rings and mounts, scope/optic covers, batteries, shirts and hats.

Not OK: firearm parts including stocks, grips, sights, pins, screws, springs, triggers and other internal parts, magazines and magazine parts, lasers, most optics.

It sucks and it didn't used to be that way but there it is.
 
Fusilier said:
Not OK: firearm parts including stocks, grips, sights, pins, screws, springs, triggers and other internal parts, magazines and magazine parts, lasers, most optics.
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Not entirely true. I've had several iron sights (without tritium) sent to me. My last sight shipment (Tech Sights for a Marlin 795) was inspected by the CBSA and approved.

To the OP: The general sentiment is correct, not much can be brought back.
 
4n2t0 said:
Not entirely true. I've had several iron sights (without tritium) sent to me. My last sight shipment (Tech Sights for a Marlin 795) was inspected by the CBSA and approved.

To the OP: The general sentiment is correct, not much can be brought back.
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You're missing the point. Just because something 'made it' into Canada does not automatically mean it was allowed to leave the US. CBSA enforces Canadian law.

If a registered exporter shipped it from the US, many parts are fine. See Brownells. The fact that THEY can export it legally does not mean that YOU as an individual are allowed.

Again just because some individual in the US ships you something and it makes it into Canada does not mean it was legal. If you showed up at the Canadian side of the border with 5000 rounds of ammo, they'd charge you tax and be on your way. But getting caught with even ONE round of ammo on the US side, and you will be in a HUGE world of hurt.
 
There's a whole section on importing/exporting on the Legalese forum.
Not ALL firearm parts are restricted for export by the U.S. government. Those parts require an export permit from the U.S. Dept. of State. However, as mentioned, the seller and manufacturer must have a U.S. Dept. of Commerce exporter's licence too.
The only time you can have a firearm and ammo in your possession, Stateside, as a non-immigrating alien, is if you're there to hunt or shoot in a match and have an ATF Form 6. No firearms or ammo at all, otherwise. Any ammo you take in must be fired or come back with you. You can buy ammo while there(That'd be a box or whatever for hunting or match shooting.), but you cannot bring any of it back.
The 5,000 rounds, for your personal use only, thing is Canadian. You still cannot have any ammo in your possession other than for the above.
 
sunray said:
There's a whole section on importing/exporting on the Legalese forum.
Not ALL firearm parts are restricted for export by the U.S. government. Those parts require an export permit from the U.S. Dept. of State. However, as mentioned, the seller and manufacturer must have a U.S. Dept. of Commerce exporter's licence too.
The only time you can have a firearm and ammo in your possession, Stateside, as a non-immigrating alien, is if you're there to hunt or shoot in a match and have an ATF Form 6. No firearms or ammo at all, otherwise. Any ammo you take in must be fired or come back with you. You can buy ammo while there(That'd be a box or whatever for hunting or match shooting.), but you cannot bring any of it back.
The 5,000 rounds, for your personal use only, thing is Canadian. You still cannot have any ammo in your possession other than for the above.
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State laws dictate the reason you may enter the USA with a firearm as a non resident. Some states allow a non resident to conceal carry with a proper ATF form, for example Alaska. But from my reading, mainly hunting and competition would allow entry with a firearm. Still true regarding exporting though, buy the ammo (even for protection in certain states) and shoot it there or leave it behind.
 
canucklehead said:
You're missing the point. Just because something 'made it' into Canada does not automatically mean it was allowed to leave the US. CBSA enforces Canadian law.

If a registered exporter shipped it from the US, many parts are fine. See Brownells. The fact that THEY can export it legally does not mean that YOU as an individual are allowed.

Again just because some individual in the US ships you something and it makes it into Canada does not mean it was legal. If you showed up at the Canadian side of the border with 5000 rounds of ammo, they'd charge you tax and be on your way. But getting caught with even ONE round of ammo on the US side, and you will be in a HUGE world of hurt.
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You are more than welcome to purchase, safely store/use the ammo from the US in the US, it just cannot leave the US. Thus there is absolutely nothing wrong with "getting caught" with "even ONE" or a million rounds of ammo on the US side (as long as you are there for shooting reasons like a competition, hunting, taking a training course, etc), you just can't get caught by the US LEO/Customs side of things taking it out of the US. Since you only encounter CDN customs on the way back if by land crossing, that is not likely. I'm far from advocating anything illegal by any means, but to say "getting caught with even ONE round of ammo on the US side, and you will be in a HUGE world of hurt" is very misleading.
 
Plinky said:
You are more than welcome to purchase, safely store/use the ammo from the US in the US, it just cannot leave the US. Thus there is absolutely nothing wrong with "getting caught" with "even ONE" or a million rounds of ammo on the US side (as long as you are there for shooting reasons like a competition, hunting, taking a training course, etc), you just can't get caught by the US LEO/Customs side of things taking it out of the US. Since you only encounter CDN customs on the way back if by land crossing, that is not likely. I'm far from advocating anything illegal by any means, but to say "getting caught with even ONE round of ammo on the US side, and you will be in a HUGE world of hurt" is very misleading.
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Sorry I thought it was clear I meant getting caught LEAVING the US side with ammo. Like on of the check stops on the US side before getting to Canada customs.
 
Ah yes, didn't say that in your post so I was like HUH?! Since when?

Yes, getting caught at the border by the US side of things with ammo would end up in a bad situation. But to be honest, I cross the border by land a few times a year, and on the return trip, I have never seen any US customs. I have only ever seen US customs people in the lines when heading into the US. But heading back to Canada, if any border police type people come up to your vehicle in the line, it's CDN. They have a chat and they may "randomly select" your vehicle for a search. So I'm not exactly sure how the US would enforce these rules with land border crossings. But not worth the risk anyways even with such low odds of getting caught.
 
Plinky said:
Ah yes, didn't say that in your post so I was like HUH?! Since when?

Yes, getting caught at the border by the US side of things with ammo would end up in a bad situation. But to be honest, I cross the border by land a few times a year, and on the return trip, I have never seen any US customs. I have only ever seen US customs people in the lines when heading into the US. But heading back to Canada, if any border police type people come up to your vehicle in the line, it's CDN. They have a chat and they may "randomly select" your vehicle for a search. So I'm not exactly sure how the US would enforce these rules with land border crossings. But not worth the risk anyways even with such low odds of getting caught.
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US Customs and Border do export checks every day. Because you havent seen them at your crossing means nothing, they do it. They enforce them by setting up check points before you hit Canadian soil and use U.S. Laws. in fact, Homeland Security will set up check points on an immigration basis away from the border crossing and can, with evidence I presume, search your vehicle inland also. Nothing to do with Canada, other than you attempting to export controlled goods without authorization. Not such "low odds" from what i've seen.
 
I've been checked by homeland security twice before I got to the CDN side. Once in Montana, and once in Idaho. Both times there were large gun shows in nearby towns - which I didn't attend - but the questions were specific to guns, ammo, and gun parts.

My experience is not unique - it happens quite frequently out this way.
 
Wow, interesting. Good to know. I cross the border into the US from Ontario at multiple locations, at least 2-3 times a year, and have so for years, and just have never experienced it myself so I assumed it didn't happen. Looks like it does out in the prairies and Atlantic Canada though.
 
canucklehead said:
You're missing the point. Just because something 'made it' into Canada does not automatically mean it was allowed to leave the US. CBSA enforces Canadian law.
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I didn't miss the point and I understand that the CBSA enforces Canadian law. I was sent these items from a company that is not a registered exporter. Where I may have gone wrong was to assume that this company wouldn't put their business in jeopardy by exporting illegal items and by extension assumed it would be acceptable for me as an individual.

To the OP: Again, the sentiment remains the same. Very little is allowed and as you can see nothing is clear-cut.
 
Plinky said:
You are more than welcome to purchase, safely store/use the ammo from the US in the US, it just cannot leave the US. Thus there is absolutely nothing wrong with "getting caught" with "even ONE" or a million rounds of ammo on the US side (as long as you are there for shooting reasons like a competition, hunting, taking a training course, etc), you just can't get caught by the US LEO/Customs side of things taking it out of the US. Since you only encounter CDN customs on the way back if by land crossing, that is not likely. I'm far from advocating anything illegal by any means, but to say "getting caught with even ONE round of ammo on the US side, and you will be in a HUGE world of hurt" is very misleading.
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I went hunting in Pennsylvania and brought my ammo with me. I brought what was left back....that's illegal? Do they check lot numbers too? Is this a recent regulation, or was it in force for decades?
 
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I was coming back to Canada and while in the line up approximately 100 feet from the border two US border officers walked up to my truck and while I was talking to one the other went to open my passenger door and it was locked. Buddy says can you unlock the doors. I complied without hesitation and buddy went through the passenger side while other buddy continued to ask questions. When they were done I asked buddy if he would like me to step out of the truck so you can look through the drivers side. He just said no and have a nice day. They never asked for consent to search, They just went ahead and searched.
 
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I was coming back to Canada and while in the line up approximately 100 feet from the border two US border officers walked up to my truck and while I was talking to one the other went to open my passenger door and it was locked. Buddy says can you unlock the doors. I complied without hesitation and buddy went through the passenger side while other buddy continued to ask questions. When they were done I asked buddy if he would like me to step out of the truck so you can look through the drivers side. He just said no and have a nice day. They never asked for consent to search, They just went ahead and searched.
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WTF? What border crossing was this?
 
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