What condition did YOUR Marstar M14 arrive in?

thanks for the clarification Hungry, youve eased my mind a little and my #### feels slightly more securely attached now.
i just dont understand.. is it so hard to calibrate a machine to drill something in the centre? i could have drilled that more centred with a hand drill while drunk. the gas piston fits in it nice and tight though.

what parts are affected by the metric threading of the Norincos vs the imperial of the USGIs?
ie: what USGI parts wont fit a Norinco?

seems like a non-threaded component like these SEI stainless gas cylinders should fit - will they?
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ill take your advice and i wont order one unless i have problems with the Norinco one... im just thinking ahead. will the Norinco gas pistons fit a SEI/USGI cylinder or will i have to also order USGI piston and all the hardware as well?
 
f**k me...

For a minute there I thought my Rye and Coke Sunday was catching up with me. Looks like the local special ed class had a crack at that.


manbearpig said:
looked it up, and on the USGI ones its supposed to be centred.
im really upset about this. i understood that a bit rough finish and machining is to be expected on these but this is beyond unacceptable.
are the guys working in the Chinese factories retarded?

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Man, I understand part of what you're saying Hungry, but you're gonna have to show me something that screwed up on a USGI gun or a Springfield for that matter to cover the balance.

That is totally ass. Worst abortion I've seen in a long time.


FWIW, their receiver's ARE nice. I'll be buying them for that alone, even if the ####-eyd remainder hits the trash can.

The M1A in the Vltor stock and KAC rail below is a Norinco. But god-DAMN, didnt look anywhere that f**ked up. In point of fact, it is one of the nicer M1A's I've seen. Unit compared above it is a SA Socom 16.

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manbearpig said:
thanks for the clarification Hungry, youve eased my mind a little and my #### feels slightly more securely attached now.
i just dont understand.. is it so hard to calibrate a machine to drill something in the centre? i could have drilled that more centred with a hand drill while drunk. the gas piston fits in it nice and tight though.

what parts are affected by the metric threading of the Norincos vs the imperial of the USGIs?
ie: what USGI parts wont fit a Norinco?

seems like a non-threaded component like these SEI stainless gas cylinders should fit - will they?
M14_Gas_Cylinders.lg.jpg

ill take your advice and i wont order one unless i have problems with the Norinco one... im just thinking ahead. will the Norinco gas pistons fit a SEI/USGI cylinder or will i have to also order USGI piston and all the hardware as well?
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The piston itself is different in diameter to the USGI/american clone M1A types. This dictates that you use the american sized gas lock and gas lock nut.

The gas lock threads to the barrel and as the gas lock uses different threading than metric Norinco, you run into issues.

In the end, don't sweat the small stuff. If your barrel is indexed properly, everything else is generally in line....you are good to go. Worrying about the cylinder being slightly lopsided isn't worth it as it still gets the job done..and it's something you'll never see with the stock on!

I did quickly pull three random Norinco gas assemblies. Admittedly, all three(random) were perfectly concentric but I had never bothered to take special note because it's not crucial.
 
the gas assembly itself is compatable to the norc barrel. you must have a GI piston, and GI gas plug/nut. you use your norc gas lock.
norc gas nut and piston are NOT compatable with thier usgi/smith.... ect counterparts.
as hungry says, none of this is a necessary upgrade to the rifle.
 
Guys,
like Hungry says,
"DON'T GET YUR KNICKERS IN A KNOT... "
about all those Norinco M-14S "defiencies".

At $ 399, you are getting one of the best aftermarket M-14 type receivers available at any price, and a bunch of extra parts [ mostly usable ] that came along for free. And realistically, the vast majority of these rifles are safe and reliable shooters just as they come out of the box [ all those annoying deficiencies notwithstanding ].

Marstar has already posted that they are NOT CURRENTLY taking any new orders for the M-14S. If you are not happy with your NEW M-14S, simply return it to Marstar ASAP. I'd bet that Marstar has a list of several hundred potential M-14S customers waiting for some to become available.

OR,
this month,
sell it privately here on the exchange for what you paid.

OR,
wait a few months,
until everyone realises that THEY ARE ALL GONE AND NO MORE ARE COMING ... EVER!!! and sell it at a profit.

I have three Chinese M-14 rifles now, and I am running out of space in my safe as it is, but I am still sorely tempted to buy a few more M-14 rifles as "an investment".

Just to keep things in perspective,
here on scenic Fantasy Island,
right now, today, our local store sells the new M14S for $ 600 plus tax.
And he sells out of them pretty quick.

If you want to buy one of my inspected and tweaked M-14S rifles, they START at $ 650, and go up from there.

OR,
you can come to one of our Wet Coast M-14 Support Group meetings, and learn for free how to do pretty much everything on your M-14 yourself.

So maybe the complaining could stop now???
[;{)
LAZ 1
 
Is this complaining or just pointing out issues that people are finding with their purchases.I like to hear it all.Its not complaining in my ears.
 
Winzy is 2/3 correct ...
"The piston itself is different in diameter to the USGI/american clone M1A types. This dictates that you use the american sized gas lock and gas lock nut."

If you use an ENGLISH [ as in US GI or US made replacment ] gas tube, then you ABSOLUTELY MUST use an ENGLISH gas plug. While, if you use enough "Never Seize", and a big enough wrench handle, you probably can bastard re-thread these parts, this is definitely NOT the preferred way to go.

BUT,
if the barrel is Norinco/Metric, then the gas lock [ 8 ring ] MUST still be metric.

In the real world, tolerances for the pistons and gas tubes vary considerably, with the US GI SS pistons and SS gas assemblies averaging slightly smaller diameters [ approx .005" ] than the Chinese CHROME LINED bits. I have found that some Chinese pistons will fit nicely in some US gas assemblies, and a Chinese piston may in fact be ideal for tightening up a worn GI gas tube. But, like I said initially,
"tolerances for the pistons and gas tubes varies considerably", so the defining factor is how well your individual piston and your tube play together.

Come to one of the Wet Coast M-14 seminars, and we'll show you how the CLEAN parts should "feel". The basic rule of thumb, is that a nice fit is a slowwww drop of the CLEAN piston in the CLEAN cylinder, with your thumb blocking the gas port, and the gas plug on. ALMOST air tight = GOOD, but too tight [as in catching somewhere or not moving freely ]=BAD!
 
Lazerus2000 said:
So maybe the complaining could stop now???
[;{)
LAZ 1
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im not complaining about the rifle... i was worried that the misaligned gas piston might cause problems. i was concerned that since the op rod is being smacked by the gas piston at an angle it might not operate as smoothly, cause uneven wear, binding, whatever.


so just to clarify - if i decide to replace this later on then i need a gas cylinder, gas piston, and gas cylinder plug. so basically THIS:
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(minus the USGI gas cylinder lock)
 
Boys, chill out!!! Mine looks exactly like manbearpigs and I have pumped over 500 rounds through it with NO problem. I have Hungry welfared mine. Listen to this man he knows his M14's! Attend one of his clinics and read ALL the sticky's on this page and you will learn that one M14 is not enough!!! Also why spend all kinds of money on a rifle when you already have a battle proven designed rifle? Spend the money on ammo and get to know your rifle.

Hungry, thanks for all your info I am still tweaking and twisting mine! More to follow when I get back from the ghan.

Oh ya mine shoots way better than I could ever shoot it!! I shoot 1 inch groups and sub 1 inch groups with surplus ammo. All the money I spent on mine was Hungry's clinic in Calgary and LOTS of ammo!!! Let's stop being so critical of theses rifles and start enjoying them!!

Just my 2 Kunas.
 
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Okay, thanks to all for being so cool headed.

Next item: I just love those finned magazine followers. They allow quick and easy cleaning of your magazines. Perfect if you are in a hot and sandy deployment.

Oh so sorry JayT, you can't bring the Norc boomstick to your upcoming relocation to hotter and sandier locations than Wainwright. :rolleyes: Unless we can convince the powers that be about a Norinco "Bison" recovery related magic tool or those HLVW (or ML is it ?) Hey, what do I know ? I'm just an old school deuce and a half kinda guy.

Peace B 2 Journey

Barney

PS: Hey, Lazarus2000, thanks for the kind words and thanks for all your sound advice !! :evil: I keep promoting your "Laz Style" receiver wrench found at Princess Auto for $ 14.00, you know that 1 3/4" monster wrench that you showed me back in '04 ?? I showed up at Calgary Clinic last month with mine and credited the West Coast M14 Master ;)
 
You might want to check if the magazines modified by adding a leg to the follower can or can not fit in a 6th round. Several of this type of modified mag that showed up recently will actually take a 6th round, and some CFO A$$HOLES that come around checking at some of the local stores and gunshows, might be more than happy to cause you grief over this gawdawful contravention of the legal jusytice system.
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Lazerus2000 said:
Winzy is 2/3 correct ...
"The piston itself is different in diameter to the USGI/american clone M1A types. This dictates that you use the american sized gas lock and gas lock nut."

If you use an ENGLISH [ as in US GI or US made replacment ] gas tube, then you ABSOLUTELY MUST use an ENGLISH gas plug. While, if you use enough "Never Seize", and a big enough wrench handle, you probably can bastard re-thread these parts, this is definitely NOT the preferred way to go.

BUT,
if the barrel is Norinco/Metric, then the gas lock [ 8 ring ] MUST still be metric.
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Lazerus,

thanks for writing up the proper details addressing the issue. :)

:thumbs:

doh...we don't have a thumbs smilie
 
If I keep reading these Norinco M-14 threads, I'm going to be afraid to shoot the bastard soon...pages and pages of potentially fatal issues that must be addressed through open-heart surgery on the rifle...and if not that, then the endless 7.62 vs .308 ammo/headspace arguments.

It's a Norinco. It's a proven clone and is cheap. People love it at the range and I enjoy the heft of the thing and the historic design. Hasn't blown up on me yet. Thank Christ we don't have this on the Nork 1911's (at least not most of the time).
 
Lazerus2000 said:
You might want to check if the magazines modified by adding a leg to the follower can or can not fit in a 6th round. Several of this type of modified mag that showed up recently will actually take a 6th round, and some CFO A$$HOLES that come around checking at some of the local stores and gunshows, might be more than happy to cause you grief over this gawdawful contravention of the legal jusytice system.
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in the 5/20 i might just fit a 6th round, but id be literally forcing it between the feed lip and follower, and the feed lip would be bent up a bit. ie: if i jammed it in there then the magazine would be deformed.
so i guess it depends on how much the CFO hates you. loaded to 6 rounds they certainly wouldnt feed.
 
Wait a second,

I thought you could change the entire gas system on a Norc to USGI and just use the Norc metric Gas Cylinder Lock. Someone just said for proper piston fit you must also change out the Cyl. lock to USGI and therefore have to swap the barrel. Which is it guys?
Thanks.

AF
 
I know the USGI gas lock won't because of the metric thread barrel but will the Chinese cyl. lock work for ALIGNMENT with all the rest of the gas system being swapped out to USGI?

AF
 
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