What do I list a v.g. condition. 410 wingmaster for?
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Pictures vex me on this site but I'd say it's at least 90% cond. I have a 100% trader rating and feel I rate guns I sell worse than they are. Guys ask me if it's new when I shoot it. If that helps. I'm thinking ask 700 bucks based on what I saw a couple years ago. Sound legit?
Well, I can sympathize with that but if you want top dollar when it hits the EE (and I'd say $700 for a 90% is around top dollar) figuring it out should be a priority. It's actually not hard, it's a bother.
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How anyone could come up with the idea that an 870 410 is scarce is beyond me? They have been in continuous production for as long as I can recall and I have been hunting for over 40 years. The fact some may not see them as often does not make them scarce. If Remington didn't sell enough of them to be profitable they would have discontinued them but they are still available and listed in the 2016 Remington catalog.
They definitely aren't scarce but good ones are. If he has a nicely polished 410 with deep, rich bluing and properly finished wood he should hold on to it because current Wingmasters are junk by comparison to the older ones. I have a beauty 28ga from right before Remington went private equity and I wouldn't get rid of it for anything. Its smooth as glass, light as a feather and a ton of fun to shoot/hunt with. The newer ones are committee designed/executed and much of what made the Wingmaster special has been removed.
Patrick
I can go to the store right now and buy a new one for $969 in 410 bore. Not that rare, but not that sought after. Modified choke on a 410 is limiting. Anyhow, beautiful gun, but $700 is steep, especially considering it won't be under the new Remington lifetime warranty.
I am always on the fence about buying a new one actually in 410 (but bps has removable chokes). How exactly from a functional standpoint have they declined since the equity takeover? I am not trolling this is a legit interest I have.
Functionally here are the main differences:
1. Bluing, old has deep bluing, smooth/even and high lustre. New is almost black and paint like.
2. Internals, old are polished quite well and extremely smooth as new and only get smoother as they are worked in. New, not same amount of polishing whatsoever, rougher but not quite as rough as an express.
3. Wood, old has much higher quality walnut and it is finished nicer and has a better wood to metal fit/finish than new ones.
Basically, Remington's product catalogue took a big hit to the classics after they became private equity and people having owned examples before and after know exactly what I'm talking about.
Patrick
Phinton81 nailed it.
Scarce? Yes.
I could sell it for 700 and entertain 50 tire kickers, get lowball offers, get offered trades I don't need.... blah blah blah.... then manage to sell it for 700 bucks and regret it, then not be able to find one for 700 bucks. Then, since they ARE scarce wait 3 months for one to come in and get to pay 929 + hst to replace a gun I shouldn't have sold.
Why do these threads turn negative? I can't remember ever seeing a new .410 wingmaster in a shop. Express yes. But they suck.
Scarce? Yes.
I could sell it for 700 and entertain 50 tire kickers, get lowball offers, get offered trades I don't need.... blah blah blah.... then manage to sell it for 700 bucks and regret it, then not be able to find one for 700 bucks. Then, since they ARE scarce wait 3 months for one to come in and get to pay 929 + hst to replace a gun I shouldn't have sold.
Why do these threads turn negative? I can't remember ever seeing a new .410 wingmaster in a shop. Express yes. But they suck.
BPS's are nice guns but very heavy for small gauge guns. Part of the appeal of 410/28 gauges is their lightweight and how they "dance" in your hands. The BPS is 7lbs in the sub gauges and that's way too heavy in my opinion and leaves them feeling like a club in comparison to a scaled down 870 LW such as my 28ga which is a hair under 6lbs.
Patrick
