What do u think of this gun?

gommee said:
Hard to believe one of the fine sponsors of this site would treat some one like this. Also hard to believe they would sell a piece of crap like this to any one.
This is not a case of "you get what you pay for"

... sell quality merchandise, or close your doors.

BUYER BEWARE.
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It amazes me how so many haven't figured out that you get what you pay for. It amazes me how so many lack the common sense or common knowledge to put this situation into context.

Marstar=known to sell low cost "entry" level firearms
Tomahawk=unknown make and/or track record, lack of parts and accessories
Low cost= Low quality in most cases.

It amazes me how after an unbiased no sh*t review of a NEW IN BOX firearm depicting the very poor materials and craftsmanship. How anyone could come to the logical conclusion that such a horrendous piece of crap is a "lemon" not the norm, and that such product(s) are/were being sold by a commercial vendor.

NEWS FLASH!!!! Businesses are in business to MAKE MONEY!! Your satisfaction, safety, or cost savings are not of any concern. The goal is to sell product and make a profit. If companies(in general, I'm not singling out Marstar) offered only high quality products, most of the CGN member list wouldn't own any firearms. Financial obligations, lack of knowledge(new to the sport) or just plain being cheap are what drives so many towards the low cost "entry" level firearms. Such as the Turkish, and Chinese offerings.

The portion of your post that makes sense is the last line. BUYER BEWARE

TDC
 
TDC said:
It amazes me how so many haven't figured out that you get what you pay for. It amazes me how so many lack the common sense or common knowledge to put this situation into context.

Marstar=known to sell low cost "entry" level firearms
Tomahawk=unknown make and/or track record, lack of parts and accessories
Low cost= Low quality in most cases.

It amazes me how after an unbiased no sh*t review of a NEW IN BOX firearm depicting the very poor materials and craftsmanship. How anyone could come to the logical conclusion that such a horrendous piece of crap is a "lemon" not the norm, and that such product(s) are/were being sold by a commercial vendor.

NEWS FLASH!!!! Businesses are in business to MAKE MONEY!! Your satisfaction, safety, or cost savings are not of any concern. The goal is to sell product and make a profit. If companies(in general, I'm not singling out Marstar) offered only high quality products, most of the CGN member list wouldn't own any firearms. Financial obligations, lack of knowledge(new to the sport) or just plain being cheap are what drives so many towards the low cost "entry" level firearms. Such as the Turkish, and Chinese offerings.

The portion of your post that makes sense is the last line. BUYER BEWARE

TDC
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Note the bold.;)

TDC
 
Wow TDC, did you not SEE the entire post? That gun was a total piece of crap. From the quality of materials to end product to the Warranty. I guess you believe that a retailer that sold a product that COULD be harmful in any way, is not responsible for the damage it causes. The seller can be held accountable for damages. Cost aside, we all fight for firearm rights, but putting this quality in peoples hands can hurt our cause. I would believe about the ONE OF scenario, but the quality from the beginning to the end was the same.
What would happen if some one gets hurt? Who is responsible?

Oh, by the way, the way this is constructed does NOT give the example of a lemon, just POOR craftsmanship.

Every one has an opinion, but a picture trumps the opinion.
 
magicchip said:
Although I suppose it's possible for things to go wrong once in a while, some of you make it sound like marstar is ripping people off. Well, they are not. If you have a problem, talk to them. PM Johnone, he is a member here.
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Yes he's a member here. Check some of his past posts and make your own judgement on how the guy responds when someone raises legitimate questions about the guns they sell or how they do business.
 
Opinions are like a-holes; everybody has one and most of them stink.
That being said, here are my two cents.
Seems to me that most, but not all of these foreign made guns have some issue that we as consumers do not like. Part of the problem is that we all have very high standards, and we can recognize the difference between poor quality and good quality. I am talking about Fit - Form - Function. If you own just one high quality firearm; say a nice Remington or Marlin you automatically gain a bias towards all others. Consider the facts of any product made overseas. It costs money to manufacture, money to package, money to ship, and then in the end the Seller has to make a profit. If you consider all of those factors and there may be others, then you will realize that the gun you are considering buying because of the sweet $300-$400 price tag was probably produced for less than half of that.

Made in China - The new warning label.
P.S. I am a quality inspector for a manufacturing company. I would guess that quality was of little concern in the manufacture of this particular firearm. Visual inspection is half the battle.
 
gommee said:
...This is not a case of "you get what you pay for"
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Of course it is. Payed a low price and got a cheap gun.

Cheap = low quality, disposable, no manufacturer's warranty.

When you gamble at cards there are times you're gonna lose, regardless of how skilled you are. Gambling on quality is the same thing - eventually you're going to lose.

How much more expensive is a Mossberg or Remington when you factor in all the costs? They can have lemons too, but those manufacturers back their products better than the chinese communists tend to do. Not to mention the fact that a well-used remington still has decent resale value, whereas a used chinese clone isn't worth the box it came in...
 
Claybuster said:
Yes he's a member here. Check some of his past posts and make your own judgement on how the guy responds when someone raises legitimate questions about the guns they sell or how they do business.
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Posts? what I said was discuss things in person if there is a problem.
I dont see what the benefits of airing dirty laundry in public are.
 
magicchip said:
Posts? what I said was discuss things in person if there is a problem.
I dont see what the benefits of airing dirty laundry in public are.
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Check his posts in other threads. Enigmatic1 called them more than once in two months and their only response was to send him a bill for shipping.

The advantage to posting here is that it's about the only way to get a prompt response from the owner. Here's an example.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261958

Here's another that might interest you about the Tomahawk.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257837
 
Chinese= Cheap, low quality.
Never buy a gun you can't inspect first. Especially, a semi auto tactical shotgun for under 400 bucks. Wat u expect? Maybe, its was meant to be thrown like a Tomahawk instead? :D
 
gommee said:
Wow TDC, did you not SEE the entire post? That gun was a total piece of crap. From the quality of materials to end product to the Warranty. I guess you believe that a retailer that sold a product that COULD be harmful in any way, is not responsible for the damage it causes. The seller can be held accountable for damages. Cost aside, we all fight for firearm rights, but putting this quality in peoples hands can hurt our cause. I would believe about the ONE OF scenario, but the quality from the beginning to the end was the same.
What would happen if some one gets hurt? Who is responsible?

Oh, by the way, the way this is constructed does NOT give the example of a lemon, just POOR craftsmanship.

Every one has an opinion, but a picture trumps the opinion.
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The fact the product was crap is nothing new. The end result was predictable from the word go. A retailer who sells a known hazardous product can be responsible for any damages. The problem is proving the retailer had prior knowledge that said product was or is a hazard to ones safety. All firearms have the potential to fail causing injury, its not only the low cost firearms. Regardless of prior knowledge or a solid case against any vendor. At the end of the day, you're hurt or dead and the vendor still has your money. The difference between what's "right" legally and what can happen physically is very different. The physical part you can control, the legal part you cannot. Place your bets.

I don't see how offering crap affects the fight for the right to own firearms?? In any case, these low end products are offered because many aren't willing to pay for brand name quality substitutes. If so many were concerned about the image or damage that low end products created(with regards to the shooting community), there wouldn't be any offered. This incident is very similar to the Rhineland Arms circus. Too many got all caught up in the "look cool" factor and got burnt by investing in an unknown make/model.

Again, its no surprise an unknown manufacturer from a nation with little record of offering high end firearms turns out to be crap.

TDC
 
Claybuster said:
Check his posts in other threads. Enigmatic1 called them more than once in two months and their only response was to send him a bill for shipping.

The advantage to posting here is that it's about the only way to get a prompt response from the owner. Here's an example.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261958

Here's another that might interest you about the Tomahawk.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257837
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I dont know. Again, from personal; experience, marstar is ok.
Johnone did admit that sometimes things fall through the cracks, as they do in any business. But, he did say he will remedy the situation.
 
So did the tomahawks here in Canada come from a Chinese factory, and not the ISO9001 factory in Beysehir, Turkey?

I had been impressed by Mustafa Uslu before after some positive reviews and research into the company, but I am wondering if they produced early batches with high quality and then dropped QC down to nothing for mass production... Or simply outsourced the firearm to a factory in China?
 
mr_trout said:
So did the tomahawks here in Canada come from a Chinese factory, and not the ISO9001 factory in Beysehir, Turkey?

I had been impressed by Mustafa Uslu before after some positive reviews and research into the company, but I am wondering if they produced early batches with high quality and then dropped QC down to nothing for mass production... Or simply outsourced the firearm to a factory in China?
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I sense you believe the bolded information above is a sign of qaulity? Having worked for two companies with the same level of achievement I can tell you its nothing more than a gimmick designed to convince joe public that the company is super organized and has the best QC. Neither company I worked for could find their a$$ in the dark with both hands and a flash light.

TDC
 
You get what you pay for, but if you paid for a guaranteed warranty, then it should be honored. It is the company's reputation on the line to stick with their word.
If you you buy something really cheap you should assume it might be a lemon, but in order to get people to buy possible crap a company claims a warranty so it is worth the buyer to take the risk. If they do not honor this warranty then it is either a knowing betrayal of the customer's trust, or it is neglect.
 
Claybuster said:
Check his posts in other threads. Enigmatic1 called them more than once in two months and their only response was to send him a bill for shipping.

The advantage to posting here is that it's about the only way to get a prompt response from the owner. Here's an example.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=261958

Here's another that might interest you about the Tomahawk.

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=257837
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Well they didn't send me a bill for shipping, but told me I had to pay the Canada Post to ship the shotgun back to them, which I did.

I feel that if you order a product with warranty and a guarantee, and that product is complete junk, you shouldn't have to pay the shipping back to the seller.
 
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