what do you classify as a 'premium' hunting rifle?

uit isn't how expensive a rifle is , it is how easily is it repaired or replaced .....

something that has huge sentimental value , is irreplaceable , even if one similar can be bought for under a grand .
 
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okay, being my own devil's advocate, does Remington have anything in the 700 or Winchester in their M70, to compete with the Kimber? In particular, I'm after the 84M Montana in 7mm-08.

already put in a few RFQ's with a few shops.
 
For accuracy or feel. For the price of a Kimber you could build a rem 700 that could shoot the nuts off a squirrel at 300 but its never going to feel like a Kimber .. Browning on the other hand makes a hell of a affordable great fit and finish hunting rifle

Just my opinions and experiences here I'm sure someone knows better
 
burnt_servo said:
it isn't how expensive a rifle is , it is how easily is it repaired or replaced .....

something that has huge sentimental valve , is irreplaceable , even if one similar can be bought for under a grand .
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Not only that, but some very pleasant guns are not well suited for hunting.

I thought it funny that my friends would take a vehicle worth two years wages offroading on weekends. Now I'm eating my words by driving a lifted, suped, accessorized pickup up every PDR withing a hundred miles.
 
This is not how you play devil's advocate! Let me try:

Cooper Excalibur Model 54
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Mr. Friendly said:
okay, being my own devil's advocate, does Remington have anything in the 700 or Winchester in their M70, to compete with the Kimber? In particular, I'm after the 84M Montana in 7mm-08.

already put in a few RFQ's with a few shops.
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To compete how? If you're talking weight, nope not even close. Reliability? Accuracy?
I've followed you through numerous threads now and still don't quite understand what you're trying to achieve.
Search Kimber montana on here and you will find the naked truth and everything you need to know about them,myself and others with much kimber experience both good and bad have posted extensively on the subject.
The Kimber 84M Montana is a purpose built rifle,designed around the actual .308win cartridge with the bare minimum of material to function safely and reliably. They are tougher to shoot tiny groups with than a 7lb remington 700 with a sporter weight barrel. They THWACK way less than a model 70 when dry fired due to the miniscule firing pin and tiny trigger spring.
I can understand that you are apprehensive about laying down hard earned cash on the Kimber, from reading previous threads of yours it seems to me this causes you much anxiety.
Were you not able to see the physical difference in fit and finish between the Kimber and the Savage? Have you handled an 84M?
What attracted you to the Montana in the first place?
Forget about a new production Montana in 7-08 any time soon,they aren't currently producing them as far as I know.
Be very,very careful before purchasing a used 7-08 with a serial number under 11,000.
If you like the Savage lightweight and it fits your budget and feels good in your hands...bring it home!. It'll group and hunt just fine.
Look hard at the Tikka T-3 lite in stainless, might be the best choice for you...tons of rifle for the money and good in the mountains too.

I'm not trying to bust your balls here and if I come across that way I apologize. Just want to see you make a choice that works for you without regret.
 
A premium rifle is the one with the best groups. Who cares about brand name? It is all about one think and that is the rifle the shoots the best for you? The animal or target does not care about the brand name? I take a gun that groups half an inch at 100 over a top brand name.
 
chuck nelson said:
Rifles are weapons. They always have been and always will be. en-spite of political correctness.
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Well now, back in me younger years, me pecker as woody as it was would shoot and shoot and shoot........
Does a pecker define weapon?

And to call me a Lieberal.

Add coal to the fire yu'alls.............guns are guns, weapons are weapons.
 
pbonura said:
So can a savage or tikka costing alot less.
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"Can" is not an issue here. "Can" varies. We are talking about "the rifle does not group as we said we are taking it back". Guarantee is not "can", it is "should".

Tikka guarantee is 1 MOA 3 shot group, 100 yards.
Sako guarantee is 1 MOA 5 shot group, 100 yards.
Cooper guarantee is 1/2" MOA, 3 shot, 100 yards.


blargon said:
Yet they shoot their test targets at 47yds...heavier than a kimber too
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So basically you are saying that Cooper is inferior rifle to Kimber? I learn something new every day.
 
owlowl said:
So basically you are saying that Cooper is inferior rifle to Kimber? I learn something new every day.
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No. Just that no rifle is perfect fit for every purpose...

The cooper may shoot better, but the kimber does what it was designed to do, and that isnt punching paper.
 
Reliability and repeatable accuracy are No.1!!

If it can consistently put it's first and subsequent shots within a reasonable sized group for the game that it being pursued, do so on demand year after year, cycle smoothly and reliably, carry and point well, I consider that a premium hunting rifle in my mind. I prefer the simplicity of an all steel Mauser action with a wood stock and back up iron sights, but would agree that stainless and synthetic make more sense if it's going to be bumped around. I simply don't care if my steel and wood gun come back with a few battle scars and show use, that just adds character, and there's really no corrosion problem to worry about if you give them some tlc. Even if you have a very expensive rifle with high end stock I think it should be used, their beauty and enjoyment lies in their use. I just can't see getting that out of a cheap plastic gun when there's so many alternatives like the used Husky's and FN's which are way more value for the same price, not to mention Brno's and CZ's and those are all within reach of the average budget.
 
blargon said:
No. Just that no rifle is perfect fit for every purpose...

The cooper may shoot better, but the kimber does what it was designed to do, and that isnt punching paper.
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I have limited mental capacity, I cannot grasp that. Could you tell me exactly what purpose would that be?

For what reasonable purpose Coopers are inferior rifles to Kimbers. Coopers are somehow break more, are not hunting lightweights, dissolve in water, specifically designed to punch only paper while Kimber is specifically designed not to punch paper?
 
owlowl said:
So basically you are saying that Cooper is inferior rifle to Kimber? I learn something new every day.
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...and the brand-wars officially begin. Does Cooper include a pair of socks in the box of their new rifles like the Mountain Ascent? yeah,didn't think so.
They better include a sticker to replace the Browning buckmark one in the window of the pick-up, I mean FFS you could buy three whole Remchesters for the price of one Cooper!

I have a buddy who drove a Volkswagen bug in high school then got a VW tattoo...Sweet!
 
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Well, from what I hear the animals die much faster with the increased cost of the rifle:

A $500.00 rifle will kill half as fast as a $1000.00 rifle and so on, so a $5000.00 custom setup will actually kill 50X times faster than a $100.00 rifle you pick up at a surplus store.

There is also a downside equation, typically male endowment will seem to diminish as said rifle costs soar.A hunter with a $550.00 Remington will be endowed with half the length of a fellow with an $1100.00 browning, and so on.

Ok, now the truth:

Cost goes up with trim/fit/finish NOT effectiveness.

Premium will be relevant to the hunter using the rifle.To some a Mark IV will be a premium rifle to others a Cooper to some a Savage.

Also there is no such thing as cafeteria grade vs grade A moose. ;) The meat will never know the difference.

To me there is no "premium" rifle, they just get prettier with price.
 
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