what do you classify as a 'premium' hunting rifle?

Well the SMLE was designed as an anti personal rifle just like the black guns in you mentioned. So when you hunt animals with a SMLE you are also using a purpose designed weapon for hunting purposes. :)
 
SuperCub said:
If you use a baseball bat to defend yourself, is it a weapon or sporting good?

It's not what you are using that makes it a weapon, it's the purpose of that use.
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It's a sporting good being used as a weapon. If you use the bat to hammer tent pegs it doesnt become a hammer, its still a bat/sporting good. The object is what it is.

How you use something doesn't automatically negate what it is. If you use a military rifle for hunting it may also become a sporting good but that doesn't nullify that it is a weapon.
 
From wiki:

While ordinary objects such as sticks, stones, cars, or pencils can be used as weapons, many are expressly designed for the purpose – ranging from simple implements such as clubs to swords and guns, and to complicated modern intercontinental ballistic missiles, biological and cyberweapons.

You guys are making up the in use part. All hunting firearms are weapons as they are designed to kill living beings.
 
Gatehouse said:
So you think our Canadian soldiers are "Lieberal noodle washed"

that sucks
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You are overstating the issue, they are not necessarily "Lieberal noodle washed", but I do know some choose to vote liberal, or "shock" NDP.
Anyway this issue is one of my pet peeves, and yes, the bad news is they are wrong through grammatical laziness; but not as brainwashingly wrong as the US military who drives this half-brained term, and more so the people who think that everything the US Army does, or chooses to say is always correct. People pick up on military training and terms in the US and mimic it like a flock of parrots. Such is life. I find it almost as irritating as watching a WW2 movie where everyone indexes their gun, and yeah, I don't do that either.
Ultimately the people who brought us Car-been, hexagonal rotatable surface compression unit (the 1000$ nut of 1980s USAF fame) and 'Collateral damage' also brought us calling a Rifle/pistol/shotgun, a weapon. Ultimately it is a rifle/weapon, pistol/weapon, shotgun/weapon. You can call it either as for militaries you can argue they are intended to harm, but I for one own rifles and shotguns, and no weapons, as I am not in the US military post 1990.
 
Dosing said:
You are overstating the issue, they are not necessarily "Lieberal noodle washed", but I do know some choose to vote liberal, or "shock" NDP.
Anyway this issue is one of my pet peeves, and yes, the bad news is they are wrong through grammatical laziness; but not as brainwashingly wrong as the US military who drives this half-brained term, and more so the people who think that everything the US Army does, or chooses to say is always correct. People pick up on military training and terms in the US and mimic it like a flock of parrots. Such is life. I find it almost as irritating as watching a WW2 movie where everyone indexes their gun, and yeah, I don't do that either.
Ultimately the people who brought us Car-been, hexagonal rotatable surface compression unit (the 1000$ nut of 1980s USAF fame) and 'Collateral damage' also brought us calling a Rifle/pistol/shotgun, a weapon. Ultimately it is a rifle/weapon, pistol/weapon, shotgun/weapon. You can call it either as for militaries you can argue they are intended to harm, but I for one own rifles and shotguns, and no weapons, as I am not in the US military post 1990.
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Lol if you were even alive in the 80s and earlier you would know that this whole firearms are only weapons when used as such is a NEW thing. Only neo-liberals buy into that BS.
 
VanIsler said:
From wiki:

While ordinary objects such as sticks, stones, cars, or pencils can be used as weapons, many are expressly designed for the purpose – ranging from simple implements such as clubs to swords and guns, and to complicated modern intercontinental ballistic missiles, biological and cyberweapons.

You guys are making up the in use part. All hunting firearms are weapons as they are designed to kill living beings.
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Well, my interpretation, and according to the copy of The Merriam Webster Dictionary I have at my desk,
Weap-on, n\ 1: something (as a gun, knife, or club) used to injure, defeat or destroy 2: a means of contending against another.

Hunting is clearly defined as a sport. So, with that in mind, to my way of thinking, the definition of the tool or firearm of choice for the sport or used for hunting isn't that of a weapon.
 
Looks like we've all got our minds set on what is what. As long as you shoot and/or hunt or at least support those who do, you're OK in my book. That's really all that matters.
 
VanIsler said:
Looks like we've all got our minds set on what is what. As long as you shoot and/or hunt or at least support those who do, you're OK in my book. That's really all that matters.
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;)One Islander to another, nothing wrong with a healthy difference of opinion. In this instance, while I may not agree with yours, I defend your right to have and express it.
 
I use terms like "rifle , shotgun, handgun, sword, knife, bayonet"'to describe individual items but in a general sense they are all "weapons"

I feel that gun owners that object to the term weapon have been socially engineered due to anti gun pressure. They have been under barrage for so long, they want to try to sugar coat what they own, so they say "my guns aren't weapons, please leave me alone. "

What they really should be saying is "I don't give a fvck what you call my guns. I dont give a fvck if you think some guns are good and some are evil. You can call them anything you want, they still aren't going to go on a shooting spree on their own"

We should have started with that decades ago.
 
bearkilr said:
I don't think anyone is twisted enough to call Savage a "premium firearm". Easy answer to a silly question. :)

But hang on, maybe we need to discuss the definition of "premium"?
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I only have one Savage, and while it's a far cry from anything you could classify or define as "Premium",



for an 'inexpensive' rifle, it sure shoots well.

 
Gatehouse said:
I use terms like "rifle , shotgun, handgun, sword, knife, bayonet"'to describe individual items but in a general sense they are all "weapons"

I feel that gun owners that object to the term weapon have been socially engineered due to anti gun pressure. They have been under barrage for so long, they want to try to sugar coat what they own, so they say "my guns aren't weapons, please leave me alone. "

What they really should be saying is "I don't give a fvck what you call my guns. I dont give a fvck if you think some guns are good and some are evil. You can call them anything you want, they still aren't going to go on a shooting spree on their own"

We should have started with that decades ago.
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The term "weapon" is a generic term as used by the ignorant media and other unwashed philistines for all firearms. It vilifies and degrades everyday legitimate sporting arms into a negative light and supports the antis in their bias.
 
Gatehouse said:
I use terms like "rifle , shotgun, handgun, sword, knife, bayonet"'to describe individual items but in a general sense they are all "weapons"

I feel that gun owners that object to the term weapon have been socially engineered due to anti gun pressure. They have been under barrage for so long, they want to try to sugar coat what they own, so they say "my guns aren't weapons, please leave me alone. "
What they really should be saying is "I don't give a fvck what you call my guns. I dont give a fvck if you think some guns are good and some are evil. You can call them anything you want, they still aren't going to go on a shooting spree on their own"

We should have started with that decades ago.
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You feel??????????

My Dear Lord, Clark, seems you think you can climb inside one's mind and feel what they are thinking.
Magical, that weapon of feel you have.
Time to write a book there sonny boy.
 
yeh...enough blathering over guns, weapons, etc.

I was just curious to know what people here thought a 'premium' rifle was. I had no set agenda...it was just curiousity.

I am hunting for a new rifle...debating $900 for a Winchester or $1500 for a Kimber or other... ;)

owlowl said:
The OP asked if Kimber is that better than Savage. FFS people! Is this Canadian Linguistic Nuts convention now?
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