What do you expect of your rifle at 100yrds on a good day?

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I'm just getting into CRPS. Looking to set some realistic expectations for myself and my equipment.

What grouping size do you expect of your rifle at 100rds if everything is set up properly and you're doing your part? Let's assume the conditions are perfect and you don't need to worry about wind.
 
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I'm just getting into CRPS. Looking to set some realistic expectations for myself and my equipment.

What grouping size do you expect of your rifle at 100rds if everything is set up properly and you're doing your part? Let's assume the conditions are perfect and you don't need to worry about wind.

Under the circumstances you describe,I have my rifles set at 1MOA @ 200M from a bench rest. (Ruger M77) The rest is on me.
 
10 shot groups off the bench, CCISV averaged 1.76” over 44 groups with a factory barreled T1X. Including groups of 2 1/2” that most shooters would leave out. An IBI barrel with SKRM, actual 10 shot group average rather than cherry picking a good one, 1 3/8”. Eley Match and Lapua Center X or better, 2/3 10 shot groups under 1” at 100. 5 shot Rimfire groups don’t show useful data unless you overlay them electronically.
 
from a rimfire at 100 yards i am happy with a smigde above or below MOA but with the ammo i use i always get flyers so that isn't always the case now at 50 i need to see sub moa all day long or its sale time i don't hunt i justt collect and shoot so if the groups cant' be tight enough to put a smile on its time to reconsider the relationship haha
 
With CZ457 Pro Varmint (factory barrel) using SKRM, I'm averaging 1.5"(ish). 10 shot groups at 100yrds.

Sounds like I'm on the right track. I'll start using Ballistic-X more often to catalogue my results.
 
What's involved to have a rifle "set" to shoot 1 MOA at a certain distance?

I take my gear to an outdoor range with a bench,use a sand bag rest to render the rifle immovable taking care to never prop the rifle by the barrel (always under the fore end) ,a spotting scope to avoid the walk down range after I fire a group and bullseye targets with measured grids. Take your time. Always shoot the ammo you hunt with. Different makes and bullet weights and types always have different ballistics and points of impact,so,it's important to be consistent with your choice. Fire three-shot groups allowing the barrel to cool for 5 minutes between groups. That goes a long way to prevent "fliers". Once you've established your three-shot group within 1 MOA,it's possible to move the group around the target by using windage and elevation dials to "zero" your groups,either, right on the bullseye at that specific range (if desired) or by using ballistic charts to set your groups higher (or lower) depending on the type of terrain you'll be hunting. I have my scopes (Bushnell Trophy II 3-9X40) set at 1" high at 100M which puts it's zero holding dead on at 200M,then,adjust my aim point accordingly. That technique comes in really handy when shooting across swamps, down hydro corridors or in heavy brush.
 
OP: This CGN post with 100m/yard photos of 10-shot rimfire groups will give you an idea across a diversity of rifles and ammo.

https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/2297200-100-Yard-22LR-Challenge

I think everyone who shot this challenge did so from the bench, and they used various support systems.

In CRPS you will not have the stability of bench rest support, nor the calm time to single load and shoot at your leisure, watching the wind flags. You will be under time duress and the wind is going to do what it will do. So expect larger POI dispersion in competition vs ammo precision testing from the bench.

Although good consistent ammo with reasonable group patterning is important, I think for CRPS and shooting gongs, the wind reading skills and shooter steadiness and skills in various positions will be far more important than the smallest group size of the best ammo.
 
I only shot a few groups at 100, here's the best one . . . so far. Average is 1.651" for 10 shot groups. This is with a Savage B22 but I'll have some with CZs this year.
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I take my gear to an outdoor range with a bench,use a sand bag rest to render the rifle immovable taking care to never prop the rifle by the barrel (always under the fore end) ,a spotting scope to avoid the walk down range after I fire a group and bullseye targets with measured grids. Take your time. Always shoot the ammo you hunt with. Different makes and bullet weights and types always have different ballistics and points of impact,so,it's important to be consistent with your choice. Fire three-shot groups allowing the barrel to cool for 5 minutes between groups. That goes a long way to prevent "fliers". Once you've established your three-shot group within 1 MOA,it's possible to move the group around the target by using windage and elevation dials to "zero" your groups,either, right on the bullseye at that specific range (if desired) or by using ballistic charts to set your groups higher (or lower) depending on the type of terrain you'll be hunting. I have my scopes (Bushnell Trophy II 3-9X40) set at 1" high at 100M which puts it's zero holding dead on at 200M,then,adjust my aim point accordingly. That technique comes in really handy when shooting across swamps, down hydro corridors or in heavy brush.

Thanks for that centerfire-relevant explanation. Keep in mind, however, that this thread is in the Rimfire forum of CGN, where the discussion relates to rimfire (.22LR mostly). Rimfire and centerfire is apples to oranges.
 
Haven't shot my Savage out to 100 yet, but my old CZ 455 would shoot 1-1.5 on calm days with decent ammo. I expect the Savage may be a bit better as it's 50yard groups are more consistent than the CZ.
 
With my b14r and c457, I'm usually happy with 1" groups. I have seen much smaller at 100 but I don't count on it. The ammo, even premium stuff, is just too inconsistent for tiny groups that far. I don't put high expectations on my rimfires past 50 yards
 
1 moa of vertical dispersion out to 150yds is the number I'm looking for to know the rifle can score on CPRS stages. Past that expect more.
 
1" at 100 yards is my goal. If there is any wind I'm not able to get there. If I'm not pulling the trigger perfectly I'm not able to get there. Sometimes for whatever reason I'm not able to get there, but sometimes I do.

I have different targets- for a calm day I use a sheet of paper with a bunch of 1" circles on it. I shoot 1-3 shots per circle and get a lot of use out of one sheet. I use OnTarget to measure up the groups and make a composite group out of all the shots.

For rimfire the wind really dominates the group. Reading wind well will shrink groups much more than high end ammo.
 
What one is capable of doing in practice is nice . . . doing it on game day is quite another matter.

With my Remington 40X it was accomplished once at 100 yards and the average was less that 0.80.

At 100 Metres the six 10-shot groups measured less that 0.90"

The groups in order of being shot measured 1.08, 1.05, 0.81, 1.09, 0.73 and 0.632 = Ave of 0.899.

The second half of a target shot in competition measured 0.713 (100 - 9X), 0.889 (100 - 8X) and 0.886 ( 100 - 8X) Averaged 0.823"

It does not happen every shoot!
 
I know my rifle will do better than I can group it. But based on my challenge attempts which are under 2". I expect with some more practice and fixing my vision. I could break 1.5 and be happy with that.
 
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