I think deer have a real nervous disposition and unless you cripple them with a spine or shoulder shot, anything is possible in terms of the way they may react to being shot. Hopefully if it makes a final leap and dash for its life you saw which way it went and the bush isn't too thick and the blood trail evident. Having felt the need to own something with the word "magnum" in the name, I bought a 300WM. I doubt I'll use it much for hunting unless I get drawn for elk or moose.
What do you use for a "Non-Magnum?"
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308, 30-06 and my new favourite the 7mm-08.
I don't like calibres that dislocate my shoulder, partly detach the retina and loosen fillings.
Besides, wouldn't worry about killing anything with the 7mm08 except may be a bull elk.
I don't like calibres that dislocate my shoulder, partly detach the retina and loosen fillings.
Besides, wouldn't worry about killing anything with the 7mm08 except may be a bull elk.
In the areas I hunt a magnum is not required.I have a 30-06,308 and a 243 these will cover all the bases for me.the only gun I own with magnum in the title is a 22 winchester magnum.just in case I want to blast a waskely wabbit at 100yds.or close in coyote hunting.
Teh .375 H&H came out in 1912. When the name was switched to include "magnum" in it's title may have been before 1943. FOr some reason I think it was when they stopped using cordite in it, but I can't recall right now..
I think the 300 and 375 H & H had the magnum title added after the Weatherby operation. Because it is stated in Cartridges of the World, that Weatherby made their first model, the 270 Weatherby Magnum, by basically necking down the, "300 H & H." They don't use the term magnum, in reference to the H & H.
Also, none of the large English calibres used the term magnum. So, very unlikely it would, at a date later than its manufcture date, have the term magnum tacked on, until Weatherby called the belted cartridges by that term.
Also, none of the large English calibres used the term magnum. So, very unlikely it would, at a date later than its manufcture date, have the term magnum tacked on, until Weatherby called the belted cartridges by that term.
Johnn Peterson
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Almost a new thread in itself, but I'll bite
. My #1 favorite non-magnum is my Winchester model 71 in 348 WCF.
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- High River, AB
30-06 forever. No reason to change.
DirtyOldSix
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To help solve the "magnum" moniker puzzle, I headed over to Accurate Reloading, as there are lots of guys with SEVERE, and I mean SEVERE magnumitis there.
Here is what I got:
Back in the Black Powder Express era -
In the mid-late 1870's the Birmingham-based NA&A developed the 500/450 3-1/4" and 500/450 3-1/2" Magnum Black Powder Express bottleneck cartridges.
I own a J&W Tolley hammer underlever double rifle chambered for the 3-1/2" cartridge, the charge prescription of 5-1/2 Drams is engraved on the barrels.
It's a honey, and it puts 350gr bullets right next to each other at 2025fpsMV
I know of another J&W Tolley double rifle so chambered, owned by an Australian up in Northern Territory. He's rolled a fair bit of big game with his rifle.
I do not know if NA&A was the first, or if the 500/450 bottleneck loads from them were their first Magnums, but that is the earliest I know of from what little research I've done on the subject.
Cheers
Tinker
It is my understanding that the first "magnum" was the Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum. The .357 Magnum was created in 1935 in the revolver called the ".357 Magnum" also known as the Registered Magnum.
It was reported that D.B. Wessons love of Magnum bottles of wine inspired the name.
Yep.
A tad later on any rifle generating over 2500fps had the "Magnum" title affixed to it by writers and sportsmen of the early 1900's .
Later, the .357 began the first Pistol round so named.
---and from there everyone else climbed on the band wagon.
DuggaBoye-O
Here is what I got:
Back in the Black Powder Express era -
In the mid-late 1870's the Birmingham-based NA&A developed the 500/450 3-1/4" and 500/450 3-1/2" Magnum Black Powder Express bottleneck cartridges.
I own a J&W Tolley hammer underlever double rifle chambered for the 3-1/2" cartridge, the charge prescription of 5-1/2 Drams is engraved on the barrels.
It's a honey, and it puts 350gr bullets right next to each other at 2025fpsMV
I know of another J&W Tolley double rifle so chambered, owned by an Australian up in Northern Territory. He's rolled a fair bit of big game with his rifle.
I do not know if NA&A was the first, or if the 500/450 bottleneck loads from them were their first Magnums, but that is the earliest I know of from what little research I've done on the subject.
Cheers
Tinker
It is my understanding that the first "magnum" was the Smith and Wesson .357 Magnum. The .357 Magnum was created in 1935 in the revolver called the ".357 Magnum" also known as the Registered Magnum.
It was reported that D.B. Wessons love of Magnum bottles of wine inspired the name.
Yep.
A tad later on any rifle generating over 2500fps had the "Magnum" title affixed to it by writers and sportsmen of the early 1900's .
Later, the .357 began the first Pistol round so named.
---and from there everyone else climbed on the band wagon.
DuggaBoye-O
IMO the "magnum" designation is about as useless as the "high powered hunting rifle" or "assault rifle" hype perpetrated by the paparazzi.
IMO the "magnum" designation is about as useless as the "high powered hunting rifle" or "assault rifle" hype perpetrated by the paparazzi.
Yup, but it is what it is...
You should have just kept the .284 that I now love and they wouldn't have bounced off until 350yds
I love the .270 Winchester and the .284 Winchester. The two greatest non-magnum cartridges Winchester ever made. One their greastest success, the other their biggest flop.
While I own and shoot a couple of magnums, Most of my hunting over 50+ years has been with "lesser" offerings. Here's a list, and I emphasize that they all did exactly what they were expected to do. 6mm Remington, 257 Roberts, 6.5 x 54 MS, 6.5x55 Swede, 260AI Remington, 6.5 - 06, 270 Winchester, 7-08 Remington, 7-08AI Remington, 7x57 Mauser, 280 Remington, 30-30 Winchester, 300 Savage, 308 Winchester, 30-06, 30 Gibbs, 303 British, 7.65 Mauser, 8x57 Mauser, 35 Whelen. Animals are not made with armor plate. A shot through the boiler room, and the work starts. FWIW, my longest shot ever taken was with a non-magnum, the 270 Winchester/140 Accubond. Regards, Eagleye.
