Lol, wuh yoo mean patunt rawhs? Norincos aren't the greatest finish or quality, but for just enjoying range time, they can't be beat. If I was to have to carry a firearm for any reason other than punching paper, gophers, beavers, or the occasional badger or coyote, I'd look for a firearm of military grade. But for us non combatants, and non mall ninjas, they are a great value. I would love to see a garand in .308. I have a 1951 garand in unissued condition, in 30-06 of course, but I never want to abuse it. A norinco would head out and see that abuse. A garand definitely.