What does IVI mean?
- Thread starter ranbur
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Phat Eagle
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- Fraser Valley, BC
This, and they don't allow it to be resold because it is extensively used by the military or RCMP. They don't want to support the theft of ammo or components from Her Majesty.
emtjakster
New member
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- Montreal, Quebec
Just curious
Is this the only reason why IVI ammo cannot be sold. Or is there a legal standing that IVI ammo can't be sold or in civy hands?
I understand the reasoning about theft and resell.
This, and they don't allow it to be resold because it is extensively used by the military or RCMP. They don't want to support the theft of ammo or components from Her Majesty.
Is this the only reason why IVI ammo cannot be sold. Or is there a legal standing that IVI ammo can't be sold or in civy hands?
I understand the reasoning about theft and resell.
This, and they don't allow it to be resold because it is extensively used by the military or RCMP. They don't want to support the theft of ammo or components from Her Majesty.
Not sure if still applies. Quite a lot of IVI brass from factory reloaders on the market these days and General Dynamics released a significant amount of General Dynamics (IVI) 9mm 147gr Non Toxic. Some dealers still has some left.
You do realize that the military sells spent cases in bulk to public right? Budget Shooter Supply sells 223 ivi brass. X metal uses ivi cases for reloads too.
All brass sold as surplus is sold as scrap brass and there is a cause that the seller is to demilitarize by destruction of the brass so it cannot be re-used. There is a UN treaty we signed back in the 80s that requires us to do this. So in reality IVI brass in useable condition should not exist.
I don't see this clause anymore...
839.1 - Brass Shells (non-controlled)
The PURCHASER understands that the assets purchased are identified on Canada's Export Control List (ECL) and are subject to the Export and Import Permits Act. The PURCHASER agrees not to export these assets without first consulting with the Export Controls Division of Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and Development Canada (DFATD).
The PURCHASER acknowledges that it shall be their responsibility to obtain any required permit prior to the export of the assets.
The materials listed may contain items of an explosive or flammable nature. The purchaser shall accept full responsibility for damage to property, personal injuries or loss of life that may result from handling or processing, and shall indemnify and save harmless Canada from and against all claims or demands in respect of such injuries or loss.
Weight shown is an estimate only. Photos only show a sample portion of actual goods.
https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?snc=wfsav&sc=enc-bid&scn=241980&lcn=388230&lct=L&srchtype=&lci=&str=1<nf=1&frmsr=1&sf=ferm-clos
Clauses
This sale is subject to all of the clauses outlined in the GCSurplus General Terms and Conditions A , unless General Terms and Conditions B are cited.
The Purchaser must also pay particular attention to the following clauses.
832.1 All sales are final. No purchased Goods may be returned and no requests for reimbursement in whole or in part will be accepted.
839.1
The PURCHASER understands that the assets purchased are identified on Canada's Export Control List (ECL) and are subject to the Export and Import Permits Act. The PURCHASER agrees not to export these assets without first consulting with the Export Controls Division of Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and Development Canada (DFATD).
The PURCHASER acknowledges that it shall be their responsibility to obtain any required permit prior to the export of the assets.
The materials listed may contain items of an explosive or flammable nature. The purchaser shall accept full responsibility for damage to property, personal injuries or loss of life that may result from handling or processing, and shall indemnify and save harmless Canada from and against all claims or demands in respect of such injuries or loss.
Weight shown is an estimate only. Photos only show a sample portion of actual goods.
860.1
The item(s) described herein are being sold offsite and not from a GCSurplus Sales Centre. For all offsite sales, the client department is only responsible to make the sale items accessible for removal. They are under no obligation to provide assistance of any kind. It is the purchaser's responsibility to ensure they have the proper labour and material handling equipment to facilitate the removal. Failure to comply with this condition of sale may lead to the purchaser being turned away and the items and funds being forfeited.
839.1 - Brass Shells (non-controlled)
The PURCHASER understands that the assets purchased are identified on Canada's Export Control List (ECL) and are subject to the Export and Import Permits Act. The PURCHASER agrees not to export these assets without first consulting with the Export Controls Division of Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and Development Canada (DFATD).
The PURCHASER acknowledges that it shall be their responsibility to obtain any required permit prior to the export of the assets.
The materials listed may contain items of an explosive or flammable nature. The purchaser shall accept full responsibility for damage to property, personal injuries or loss of life that may result from handling or processing, and shall indemnify and save harmless Canada from and against all claims or demands in respect of such injuries or loss.
Weight shown is an estimate only. Photos only show a sample portion of actual goods.
https://www.gcsurplus.ca/mn-eng.cfm?snc=wfsav&sc=enc-bid&scn=241980&lcn=388230&lct=L&srchtype=&lci=&str=1<nf=1&frmsr=1&sf=ferm-clos
Clauses
This sale is subject to all of the clauses outlined in the GCSurplus General Terms and Conditions A , unless General Terms and Conditions B are cited.
The Purchaser must also pay particular attention to the following clauses.
832.1 All sales are final. No purchased Goods may be returned and no requests for reimbursement in whole or in part will be accepted.
839.1
The PURCHASER understands that the assets purchased are identified on Canada's Export Control List (ECL) and are subject to the Export and Import Permits Act. The PURCHASER agrees not to export these assets without first consulting with the Export Controls Division of Department of Foreign Affairs and International Trade and Development Canada (DFATD).
The PURCHASER acknowledges that it shall be their responsibility to obtain any required permit prior to the export of the assets.
The materials listed may contain items of an explosive or flammable nature. The purchaser shall accept full responsibility for damage to property, personal injuries or loss of life that may result from handling or processing, and shall indemnify and save harmless Canada from and against all claims or demands in respect of such injuries or loss.
Weight shown is an estimate only. Photos only show a sample portion of actual goods.
860.1
The item(s) described herein are being sold offsite and not from a GCSurplus Sales Centre. For all offsite sales, the client department is only responsible to make the sale items accessible for removal. They are under no obligation to provide assistance of any kind. It is the purchaser's responsibility to ensure they have the proper labour and material handling equipment to facilitate the removal. Failure to comply with this condition of sale may lead to the purchaser being turned away and the items and funds being forfeited.
You could do worse than spend some time looking in to that, and getting yourself up to date with how it is being handled.
Small arms casings are now routinely being sold off in bulk without the clauses included.
The heavier stuff, artillery casings and that like, are being drilled, effectively destroying them before sale.
They have not been listing the clause either of late.
If it was a big deal, they would have invested in a shredder to run it all through, and, were it a real issue, likely a puck compressor too, to reduce the scrap volume, but they have not. Both of those technologies are readily available and are used in places that do a LOT of machining, to reduce the volume of the waste material.
Been about a year since I have seen any casings on Crown Assets with the ITAR clauses attached.
Maybe it was a case of actual policy change, or maybe it was a case of policy actually being mis-applied, but that seems the new normal.
Cheers
Trev
