what dog for ducks and grouse?

If your into duck hunting you need a tough dog that can also handle geese when the situation arises. A lab can do it all for you and take the cold water and adverse condition that some of the other breeds have a tough time with. I am on my 4th lab.
 
Longwalker said:
You should look up the Pudelpointer. The concept you admire was invented about 100 years ago in Germany, and has been upgraded and perfected in the many years since. Labradoodles are a recent attempt at a "designer" breed that may or may not have any hunting ability, and far too many carry the extreme variations of an F2 cross. Labradoodles have had great marketing success, but field credentials? not so much. By comparison, only Pudelpointers conforming to breed standard genotype and phenotype and field tested for natural ability and hunting performance ever get to breed - and puppies from those litters are only sold to hunters. You might get lucky with a Labradoodle, but why fight the odds?
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That may be how it is supposed to work with Pudelpointers bred under the German system, but I know breeders that are breeding outside of the German system. They are selling pups to non hunters, or anyone else that will pay the price. As well some dogs were bred before taking their hunting tests, which they failed, and have yet to pass.
 
stubblejumper said:
That may be how it is supposed to work with Pudelpointers bred under the German system, but I know breeders that are breeding outside of the German system. They are selling pups to non hunters, or anyone else that will pay the price. As well some dogs were bred before taking their hunting tests, which they failed, and have yet to pass.
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That's a problem with all "pretty" hunting dogs..... Small Munsterlander, German Long Hair, Large Munsterlander...... you just have to make sure you get a pup from a reputable breeder.
 
I wouldn't call a Pudelpointer "pretty", but the news of unscrupulous breeders is a surprise that i wasn't aware of. i suppose everyone just needs to do their homework.
 
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Pudelpointer all the way. I got Mine from Pallotta. We're doing NAVHDA training.
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They start out cute.
 
I can tell you from experience that pugs, not so much. You try to get them to run in the field and they sit there and give you that "Are you phoquing nuts????" look.
 
salarguy said:
My daughter has had two chessies, one presently, both sensitive and very territorial.They are very hard to anger, but you don't want to mess with them when they are! You must research the previous litters carefully. A bad pair of hips can break your heart and your bank. What good is a money back hip guarantee if he/she's been a member of your family for 3 years. My daughter's Finnegan @ 8 weeks was $3800 and forced to put him down after 7 years and over $10,000 in vet bills! Her new one, Amy now 5 yrs. has bullet proof hips!Most good breeders will give references. Both my Gordons will hunt Ptarmigan, grouse and ducks with equal fervour.
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SIR
it isn't just chessies that have these hip issues
labs and goldens, and pointers , and puddlepointers all breeds have one sort of health issues or another
some are more pronounced in different breeds then others
and remember the chessie has been recognised by the AKC and UKC and CKC for at least 40 years before the Labrador retriever ever was
recognised, the chessie is slower maturing then a lab , and are truly not for a first time dog owner, they are a hard core hunting machine
That is why going to a good breeder that does all the health tests on the parents is a must,
for any serious hunting dog owner, a good breeder will try to match a pup with you personally and your life style,
a good breeder would be a fool to match a potential grand master champion pup with a person that just wants a pet
imo people that don't do all health testing such as
DM, EIC,PRA, Hips Elbows, and there is many more are no more then back yard breeders, and should be stayed clear of
just because a dog is cheap doesn't mean to say its a good deal,
if the person that is selling a dog doesn't matter what breed
if the parents have not been health tested for these things
then I always advise people to stay away from them, same as buying a dog with out registration and a pedigree,
that pedigree will show the health status of several generations of the pup you are purchasing, as well as its potential to be a great hunting and performance dog
health testing isn't a guarantee that a dog wont get DM, or PRA,
as some dogs can be clear in these DNA tests and later on in years still come down with it ,
dodo happens like that , that's what comes with living animals,
same as in humans they can have generations of cancer free people ,
and all of a sudden wha laaaa guess what it shows up in one ,
its the same as women they can be very smart and have it all together then they get pregnant have a child,
then the thing called post natal depression kicks in and never leaves then you are stuck with a basket case instead of a wife
but if all health tests were done on parents and grand and grt grand parents , which shows on the pedigree, then a puppy will have less chances of coming down with these diseases , or bad hips,
for example two adult dogs can have one good hips, one fair , the chances of hip dysplasia is going to only be fair,
but if the adults are both excellent your pup will more then likely be excellent,
with dm you can have a parent that is a carrier, and one clear and get a clear puppy, but if one adult is at risk the other is clear you will always get a carrier, so on and so on
I suggest never ever buy a pup that the breeder cant produce this information, you as a buyer are just as responsible for allowing these back yard breeders to continue on with corrupt breeding programs, and keeping these diseases in the bloodlines which has taken responsible breeders years and years to keep out of a breed and its heritage, it only takes one irresponsible person to throw all those years of hard work out the window
and as buyer you are potentially going to make this pup a member of your family
ask youself this
if that was my child would I want anything but the best for my child??
they are not just a dog, that's like saying your child is just a kid , well they can all be easily replaced
well just try replacing yer child, see what happens
same as training, if you happen to be a great trainer and have a poor quality pup end results are going to be poor results
if yer pup is a great one, you are a poor trainer end results will poor results
if you meke the effort to train and get help from a club or pro trainer
chances are yer going to get great results
I'll add this as well
these conformation show dogs are probably the worst thing for a hunting dog as most of the conformation
people have actually bred the hunting instinct out of some dog breeds
yes conformation has a lot to do with a hunting dogs ability to perform to the best of its breeds ability
breeds like the cocker spaniel, and the delmation irish setter have basically had the hunting instinct bred out of them
ideally a hunting dog can do both win in the conformation ring in the morning and win a field trial or hunt test in the
afternoon be an awesome hunting partner in the evening, and family pet at night
I will apologise for being so long winded sometimes the words escape me to be able to shorten up my explanations
 
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Had a Samoyed for a brief period quite a few years ago, my roommate let her out and she was killed by a car. They are a companion dog created by Mongols way back. They love to wander and are very attractive with their pure white fur. Did I mention they like to wander? Did not show much of a prey drive but she was still a pup. Told my roommate to hit the road.

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Anyone ever use a samoyed? Wife only wants that breed
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bearkilr said:
Yes training is the most important thing, what I meant is that it's best to avoid breeders that only breed dogs for looks.It has ruined many breeds, and not just hunting dogs. Think of what it's done to the German shephard.
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Think of what it has done to the Golden Retriever... sad...
 
This is my girl, Emma the Vizsla. She is a brilliant upland bird hunter, incredibly smart, easy to train and impressive sense of smell.

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Jim870 said:
Labradoodles I've met while happy lack the hunting instincts of the Labrador or some lines of standard poodles. Add to that most of the breeders of Labradoodles seem to be less than interested in breeding a proficient healthy hunting line and instead try and produce as many high dollar designer mutts as they can make a buck off of. That is why the same breeders often have every type of doodle available. Labradoodles provide good pets but I wouldn't get one looking to get a hunting companion that can hang with a gundog bred for the purpose.
If I could be shown a labradoodle breeder that actually tried to improve the breed and better the hunting abilities and health of their lines I would be interested in possibly getting a pup from them.
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Thanks.
 
apu said:
This is my girl, Emma the Vizsla. She is a brilliant upland bird hunter, incredibly smart, easy to train and impressive sense of smell.

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Awwwwwwwww.

Always been partial to Viszlas too, gorgeous dog. What a dork with her teddy bear too. Nice name, our SM was named Emma (after Emma Peel, you know, the babe from the Avengers.)
 
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