What Ever Happened To Para's CCW LDA?

Safe carry and use of 1911A1 firearms requires that you develop rote skills. You have to get to the point that you automatically place the pistol on safe as soon as it hits your hand. You have to automatically place the pistol on safe as soon as you stop firing. Once you have developed these rote skills there is nothing wrong with carrying a cocked and locked pistol. Regards, Richard:D
 
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richardoldfield said:
Safe carry and use of 1911A1 firearms requires that you develop rote skills. You have to get to the point that you automatically place the pistol on safe as soon as it hits your hand. You have to automatically place the pistol on safe as soon as you stop firing. Once you have developed these rote skills there is nothing wrong wit carrying a cocked and locked pistol. Regards, Richard:D
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You have very precisely described my concern. Rote skills require intense initial training, and persistent recurrent training and practice. For myself, I am concerned that the very occasional opportunity for ccw would not provide the required development and maintenance of these actions. The extra mechanical action of the DA first shot provides me with the comforting knowledge that discharge will require a specific, purposeful act, and not be the result of any inadvertent failure of action. YMMV:D
 
You can make the same mistake with either pistol ie the holstering if you don't remove your trigger finger from the trigger when holstering your gun. I know from my expereince with my 1911's safety goes on and off without even thinking about it when shooting a stage with no loss of time I might add. Same thing applies when I am shooting a D/A S/A gun. The Para LDA does have the advantage of a longer trigger pull PLUS the safety which is a real bonus. Too, it doesn't havea single action trigger like a D/A S/A gun which would make the gun even easier to run safely.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
.........Too, it doesn't havea single action trigger like a D/A S/A gun which would make the gun even easier to run safely.

Bob
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Which is precisely why I haven't jumped out and snagged a LDA model. I have looked at a Sig 220 which is single-stack, and DA/SA, but it's still pretty clunky compared to the Commander-sized 1911 pattern pistol.

This search would be a whole lot easier if I could convince myself to carry .40 SW rather than .45 ACP:dancingbanana:
 
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Naw. .45acp is a great round for CCW, you won't be sorry. Lets us know how it shoots. I have never tried a LDA but one day will buy one.

Take Care

Bob
 
nairbg said:
You have very precisely described my concern. Rote skills require intense initial training, and persistent recurrent training and practice. For myself, I am concerned that the very occasional opportunity for ccw would not provide the required development and maintenance of these actions. The extra mechanical action of the DA first shot provides me with the comforting knowledge that discharge will require a specific, purposeful act, and not be the result of any inadvertent failure of action. YMMV:D
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I share nairbg's concern. I love the .45 as a caliber and the 1911 platform- esoecially the Commander size- but am nor sure if under the stress of presenting and possibly firing in a life-threatening situation whether subconsciously I would remember to manipulate the safety. So for this reason an LDA/ DA only style of auto where the long trigger pull is the only safety has a lot of appeal. (I.m assuming the LDAs are available without user operated safeties- decockers I have no issues with)
 
JohnC

Well you are going to be disappointed. The Para LDA has an on/off safety similar to a regular 1911. It operates differently but it is there. I certainly do not share your concerns regarding the safety. First you don't have to carry the gun charged ie one in the chamber with the safety on. You can rely on the longer trigger pull, similar to a revolver if you want. To me it is just a case of understanding the manual of arms for the gun in question. Going from on safety to off is as natural as breathing, just takes time at the range practising your draws and shooting the gun.

Like any other weapon if you are going to rely on it and have any intention of protecting yourself with it you had better ensure you have plenty of trigger time with the weapon. I just don't believe anyone who is serious about relying on any handgun ought to have the skill sets available to him to manage a simple on/off safety. IF you can't master such an action then perhaps you would be better served carrying a handgun with a decocker or a Glock with the trigger safety.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
IF you can't master such an action then perhaps you would be better served carrying a handgun with a decocker or a Glock with the trigger safety.

Take Care

Bob
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I had thought the same thing but Glocks are soooooooooo ugly and clunky feeling!:D
 
nairbg

Well I feel the same as you. Personally I would go with the LDA. Ten minutes of shooting the gun using the safety between shots will have you doing it as naturally as breathing. It is just 2nd nature. You are going to want to practice with the gun to get good with it and to know it is reliable with the ammo you are going to carry anyway.

If it is not 2nd nature to you after 100 rds, PM me and I'll buy the gun from you.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Well I feel the same as you. Personally I would go with the LDA. Ten minutes of shooting the gun using the safety between shots will have you doing it as naturally as breathing. It is just 2nd nature. You are going to want to practice with the gun to get good with it and to know it is reliable with the ammo you are going to carry anyway.

If it is not 2nd nature to you after 100 rds, PM me and I'll buy the gun from you.

Take Care

Bob
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I'm still caught between the CCW and the Tac-S............:runaway:
 
Best thing to do is try them both. Personally I prefer a single stack S/A gun like the LTC but given your preference to the LDA I would go with the Commander sized gun in single stack. I find the Commander size grip to be much better and it conceals easily as well.

I guess it comes down to what you like.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
Well you are going to be disappointed. The Para LDA has an on/off safety similar to a regular 1911. It operates differently but it is there. I certainly do not share your concerns regarding the safety. First you don't have to carry the gun charged ie one in the chamber with the safety on. You can rely on the longer trigger pull, similar to a revolver if you want. To me it is just a case of understanding the manual of arms for the gun in question. Going from on safety to off is as natural as breathing, just takes time at the range practising your draws and shooting the gun.

Like any other weapon if you are going to rely on it and have any intention of protecting yourself with it you had better ensure you have plenty of trigger time with the weapon. I just don't believe anyone who is serious about relying on any handgun ought to have the skill sets available to him to manage a simple on/off safety. IF you can't master such an action then perhaps you would be better served carrying a handgun with a decocker or a Glock with the trigger safety.

Take Care

Bob
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Thanks for the advice Bob.

I agree with you do need the skill sets . My concern is more what happens under combat/self defense stress when your hearing goes, your fine motor skills disappear, time dilates and you react as per your subsconscious/training/muscle memory.

I probably run between 10-20k rounds a year mostly 1911's between IPSC matches and IPSC training so using a safety, drawing and firing is not issues. However IPSC and having to present and fire under stress during a life threatening situation are two completely different things. Which is why I feel you need to keep things simple and a DA revolver or Glock are the ultimate in simplicity. To me the perfect combination of concelability, round effectiveness and simplicity of use would be an single stack double action only 1911 without an external safety.

how does the safety operate on the LDA anyway?
 
JohnC

Guys and gals have been operating the 1911 under the conditions mentioned for almost a century, sucessfully so I think your concerns are moot. Too, the 1911 is not the only handgun that uses a thumb safety that is also used for CCW and the same statement applies. Personally I find the Glock grip to be uncomfortable and much prefer the grips of my 1911's, CZ and Hi-Power. Grips tend to be a personal thing which accounts for the sucess of various designs. As far as concealability is concerned, IMHO nothing out there conceals better than a 1911 design but again you may think differently and that is OK too. All comes down to personal preference. Choose what you like, practice a lot and pray you never need the skills you have acquired.

I am not sure I can explain how the safety works properly but if you do a google search I am sure you will find the answer you seek. It works but differently as the trigger group set up in the LDA is different than a regular 1911. Not trying to duck your question just don't feel I can adequately explain it.

Take Care

Bob
 
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