What ever happened to....?
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Really it's about marketing. To sell in the US, with some exceptions like pistol caliber carbines, a rifle is pretty well guaranteed to flop if it doesn't take STANAG or secondly AK/FAL/M-14 type mags. This is why North American manufacturers design with STANAG mags in mind as there's about a bajillion in circulation.
Yeah it would be like introducing a new car that runs on a rare, expensive, hard to find fuel. Gas is available everywhere so its the fuel of choice for most passenger cars and trucks with diesel being a close second. Having to buy proprietary mags from just one mfr vs. access to the largest supply of standardized mags is an easy choice. AR or bust.
So according to "some" you NEED a threaded barrel or a gun to be good?
The SL-8 is a VERY accurate gun, see it out shoot many bolt guns... The trigger is fine, learn to shoot stock guns, not only the one that are tuned and modified to make it easier for you. Man this trigger princess ordeal is getting out of hand... Last gun range themed shoot I was at you had to use a stock AR-15 at one stage, irons. 90% of people missed ALL targets...sad. The blame was put onto the gun, not their lack of skills. Funny how that works
I doubt its the rifle that is outshooting the other, likely the shooter outshooting the other. Either way, that's great, but as has been mentioned the SL8 is too heavy for run and gun type work and lacks features for precision work. It doesn't do anything very, costs a fortune, and is tough to support.
Nothing wrong with stock triggers(for most rifles) and/or iron sights. That being said, the use of a CCO or similar style optic cannot be disputed as a superior method of aiming. Stock triggers are manageable but can be improved for better performance at range.
Right, proprietary aftermarket magazines. The carry handle/optic combo leaves you but one option for optics. For the price of an accessorized SL8 you could run a Swiss Arms and save money and time. Yes it too has proprietary mags but they're far more available than SL8 mags as the Swiss is far more popular than the SL8 in this country.
You mention accuracy and handloading for the SL8. That's fine if you're after accuracy. You need to tailor your gear for the purpose and the SL8 doesn't do anything real well out of the box. The cost to "tune" it for a specific purpose is insane.
TDC
I said I don't handload? a scope rail for the sl8 is under $100, a scope costs the same no matter what gun you put it on, then with good factory ammo you have a sub MOA gun. You can spend twice as much on an AR and still not have that or a gun that does not give you fte, ftf and other stopages regularly. But this is all just my opinion from what I have seen with guns I own and other people I shoot with just like you have stated your opinion.
do you get an AR out of the box that does anything well? maybe if you had pick the components and build your own custom or have a manufacturer do it for you, but that is not box stock.
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good thing the europeans are not looking to sell their arms in the US, It is rather silly IMO that the US forces companies to set up manufacturing plants on their soil if they want to sell their product in the US, the SL8 you can get there is different than the one we get. Thankfully we are still able to get european sigs, hk, etc.
My experience with the SL8 is that even with the best factory ammo (I was using Lapua 69 grain Aficionado) I could never consistently do better than MOA, even at 100m. And I'm not sure where you're pricing your ARs up but even good quality ones run less or much less than a stock SL8. I sold my SL8, bought an AR with a 16" Gov't profile barrel and 3X scope and was shooting .75MOA my first time out with it. That's not to boast--I don't consider myself a great rifle shot--but my experience is that a good quality AR (and just a regular one, not one clued up for target shooting)--will outshoot an SL8, and at less cost.
Regarding AR reliability, the folks you shoot with must have some crap rifles. I've owned five stock ARs over the years and have shot thousands of rounds without ever having a problem. In my younger days I shot a many Service Rifle competitions and the only issue I remember seeing was with an Olympic Arms rifle--never any issues with the other models.
I'd still like an SL8 done up like the one posted above, though.
polskadude
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Here is my SL8. Like Master G mentioned, some things need to be changed to suite your needs. I use it for 3 Gun, Im not overly competative, I just enjoy the stages with my "dream" rifle (its a partial clone of a G36, cant afford the $12,000 for the real one).
G36k barrel and handguard, PWS brake, G36 mags, I attach two mags together so I have 10 rounds, with a very quick reload. G36c stock with a G36 FBI lower. And Vortex Viper PST optic.
Very accurate 12.5" barrel, Ive gotten some sweet groupings with 62 grain Green Tips. I try to use 62 grain min ammo, heavier the better with this gun. Only had a couple of light primer strikes with it, and that was corrected by cleaning the bolt.
It was a bit of work to get these parts, and selling the factory parts paid for alot of the changes. Not as expensive as ppl make it out to be. Almost anyone could do it for less then $500 if they sold the SL8 parts
If thats not your style, maybe more ACR?
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Have some of you been living under a rock?
there is an entire thread dedicated to the SL8
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?270868-The-SL8-Mods-Info-and-FAQ-Thread
And this is my SL8 and USC
there is an entire thread dedicated to the SL8
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?270868-The-SL8-Mods-Info-and-FAQ-Thread
And this is my SL8 and USC
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I mentioned handloads and accuracy to illustrate that a higher level could be achieved. As for stoppages in the AR platform, they're either myth or user induced with poor maintenance or botched accessorizing. Like Master-G posted, your friends with AR's clearly have issues. I too have had a handful of AR's, all stock guns on the inside and not one gave me any issues. Accuracy is more than acceptable for three gun or any similar event. After all, it is a service rifle. I've comfortably smoked several SL8 shooters at matches, and they had far more money in optics, bipods, and ammo than I did. If you like your rifle great, I don't see any benefit to it. Over priced, over weight, non modular, and offered by a company that openly despises citizens with firearms.
TDC
and I have done just the same but with the sl8, if you can't shoot, no brand of firearm or ammount of money spent can fix that problem.
I have had 4 different AR rifles over the years and they all had ftf and fte problems like many other AR shooters experience (not just myself and you see them happen at "matches" as well so they are not wives tales), I traced the problem to be ammunition specific most times, but those same batches of ammo would run flawless in my swiss arms and sl8 rifles. I can also run both my swiss and HK rifles without cleaning for much longer intervals than the ar's without any adverse effects.
I guess we agree to disagree on opinions
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boss351cleveland
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A guy at the range has a SL8 , i shot it and i swear that was the most accurate semi auto i ever seen in my life hands down ! Sad to say it puts my 20 inch AR and Swiss Arms to shame , we were shooting loonie sized groups at 200m with AE 55 gr ammo !! just hate that ugly thumb hole stock ..
Yeah, I hate the thumb hole stock too. I wish it looked more like a real G36
So sh*tty ammo is the problem, not the rifle. North American/Western guns run brass ammo, commie guns run steel cased ammo, its pretty simple.
My question is, what is the purpose of said rifle? If accuracy is your goal than an AR or most any semi auto military pattern is not the right tool for the job. Complaining about accuracy from such is a sign of a confused owner. I guess I could run a precision bolt gun for a 3 gun match if I wanted accuracy, but the reload time and follow ups are slow, does that mean its crap? No. The SL8 however, does nothing very well, which means it sucks all around. Price point alone makes it a non contender for most, seeing as how a Swiss can be had for nearly a grand less and is a far better rifle.
TDC
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