What feedback would have you left about this transaction?

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svt-40

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Suppose, there was a gun advertized as 'like new' with more than 1700 rounds of ammo to go with, including FMJ, hollowpoint and softpoint. Suppose that I PMed the seller and committed to buy. Later on the phone with the seller I discovered that there was only 1400 rounds of ammo and he offered a hard case to compensate for the rest, to which I agreed only to make his life easier from the packaging perspective. Walmart had their hard cases on sale at the moment for $15 and I did not value the case more than that. Suppose that I received only 1200 rounds and inquired with the seller. There was no softpoint ammo at all.

He acknoledged that fact and explained, that 'indeed there was 1400 rounds, but only 1200 rounds would fit in the box he used'. He refused to compensate for missing 200 rounds claiming 'that it's still a good deal for me'.

When the gun arrived, it shot loose groups and I discovered that rifling was filled with burnt powder so that after a couple dozen patches with powder solvent and going half a dozen times with a wire brush, patch still came out with black stripes...

Over my 6 year long career on the eBay I was never a big fan of negative feedback and practically never used it except for a couple of bizarre cases. I have around 150 positive most of which is as a seller, so I am not new to buying and selling online and have realistic expectations. But here on the board I have fallen a victim of grossly misstated advertizing in quite a short period of time. Out of 4 gun transactions and one accessory, two gun transactions turned heaven and two hell. This gun is not bad and is like new, except that it probably has not been cleaned even once. I can live with the gun part of the deal.

What do you think I should post for this particular transaction?
 
I would say its of the best interest of the seller to be accurate. Did the gun look new, was there any erosion in the breech area, blue, stock etc like new.
I have only one side of the story, ie was it a fair trade.
From my own bad experience with a fella on here , which my safety was even factored in , I can say if it would have happened with the new forum, he would have gotten a big negative.
Frank
 
Personally, I'd clean a rifle before I sold it.;) The dirtyness didn't affect the overall condition (once you put your effort into cleaning) so I wouldn't make much of that.

However, if I made a deal that included 1700 rounds, which was reduced to 1400, I would have wanted some compensation.

If it arrived with less than the arranged amount and type of ammo I'd be pissed. I'd certainly be pissed if told "don't complain, it's still a good deal."

Without a doubt I would leave negative feedback, based on his false advertising and bad attitude.
 
Negative for sure... at the very least Neutral and leave a comment.
The dirty bore would be acceptable as it is just carelessness but the ammo thing is another story. I have shipped ammo separately at my expense when it wouldn't fit in the box.

Actually I sold a very large item on Ebay one time and found out later it was oversized for the shipping price I was quoted, I ended up shipping the $300 or so Item and made an $8 profit once I paid the shipping. I did not fator in the 2 rolls of packing tape used either.
 
Actually I sold a very large item on Ebay one time and found out later it was oversized for the shipping price I was quoted, I ended up shipping the $300 or so Item and made an $8 profit once I paid the shipping. I did not fator in the 2 rolls of packing tape used either.
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Some people go the extra mile in the correct direction, and some just suck.
Guess the system is in place for good reason, I would use it. Keeps everyone honest.
Frank
 
I also have exemplary ebay feedback (check mistahmojoryan) but my 2 purchases on here haven't been great. Ie, a missing part, item not as described, dirty when it was supposedly "just cleaned", and so on.

I'm not leaving negatives for guys w/ many positives and leaving myself w/ negative feedback; it just doesn't make sense for me. If anyone wants to know who they're dealing w/ I will refer them to my ebay account.

BTW, I think you got ripped. :mad:
 
I think it also deserves negative feedback. 200 rounds of any ammo (except .22) is nothing so sneeze at. Plus the attitude you got from the seller.....its sad how sellers attitude changes sometimes as soon as money changes hands.
 
Well, I don't want to get in the middle of a cat fight, but the math doesn't work for me either. Also, like new (for a milsurp) to me, means the bore should be in excellent condition with a bright and shiny look to it.

~Angel~ just went through a similar experience here, buying an old milsurp from a new member who had almost no feedback at all. She bought a rifle that was advertised as being in very good condition and also very good and very shootable. Upon a detailed inspection of the rifle when it arrived, the outside was indeed in good condition, however the barrel is little more than a burnt out old sewer pipe, black and severely pitted to the point that you can feel it biting and physically dragging on a pull-through as you push a cleaning rod up the barrel. To be frank, I'm not even sure if it's safe to shoot until a gunsmith checks it out. The only bright side to the deal was that the rifle was bought for her Enfield collection, more for its uniqueness as opposed to taking it to Bisley. Therefore, it's more likely to end up as a wall hanger display piece than a competitive shooter, but having said that, it was clear that whether by accident or design, the condition of the rifle was misrepresented.

We realized that the phrase "Caveat Emptor" applied to any purchases over the Internet, however, upon discussing it with one of the moderators we know personally, the suggestion was made that we use the new feedback system as a lever. So, we contacted the seller and indicated that we would want to make other perspective buyers aware that he may potentially make exaggerated claims, so they should take appropriate steps to protect themselves. I don't think he was pleased with the implied threat of negative feedback, but to his credit, he offered an appropriate price reduction in the original price. So, we never left any feedback on the transaction at all, however, I suppose the neutral choice could have been an option. There's always a reluctance to want to damage someone's reputation in any way.

As far as the new feedback system goes and what I think you should do, I'd prefer to leave that between you and your own intuition. I do like the new system over the old posting messages forum. It consolidates everything right where you want to see it, that being beside the user name with a number in brackets that if clicked upon, takes you directly to their personal feedback screen. In my opinion, it's been a major professional step forward from the days of the system ownership being worried about lawsuits and I'd like to compliment GT, Stevo (and all of the other moderators) for taking the risk to try it out.

Regards,
Badger
 
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I agree with most of the points above, but one thing bothers me. It is that only the parties of the feedback can view the message body. This is against logic - one line visible to the public and the rest is for you and me, sort of thing.
 
Another thing about feedback is the issue of who should be leaving feedback first. As a seller, I'm always inclined to leave feedback first if I'm paid in full and no unreasonable requests are made of me. As a buyer, I tend to wait for the seller (whom I trusted to send my $$$ to) to leave me feedback first.

I guess the problem is that too many sellers are unwilling to leave positive feedback for fear of rec'ing negative feedback in turn. Feedback shouldn't be retaliatory, unfortunately, it is often used that way.
 
The one visible line should be enough to give a summary to someone using it for reference. If I was dealing with someone who had generally good feedback, with one bad one, at least I'd know who to pm for more details.

One line also helps keep the summaries short and to the point.

Now, if you feel you've been given inappropriate feedback, it's not the end of the world. Depending on the negativeness (is that a word?) and the reputations of those involved, it can (and has) been removed or edited. If you get slagged by a troll, you're not stuck with it.
 
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Another thing about feedback is the issue of who should be leaving feedback first.
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I think feedback should be left in the order the deal is completed. ie: If I'm the seller, I leave feedback as soon as the payment has been received and package shipped.

If the buyer, I wait til the item has arrived and I've checked it out. Then I'll leave feedback. Unless of course the item is unsatisfactory, and we try to work some resolution out.

I've not had a bad deal here. I have had some things not match the image I had in my mind, but that's not because of mis-representation, it's usually because I didn't ask enough questions. In which case it's my problem, not the seller's.;)
 
Well, if you'd looked at my feedback, the neg that I received was a retaliation by the seller, who had nothing to complain about. Here ya go.
 
svt,
I took a look at your feed back and the seller's. I looked at the number of deals and who you'd done them with.

You've had many more deals than the seller, and with members with high ratings.

If I was pondering a deal with you, I'd throw out the negative, esp. considering the feedback he left for you, and have no problem doing a deal with you.

I'd probably have left a more objective feedback for the seller, something like "rifle not as advertised, accessories not included, as per deal". That would not (probably) get such an emotional response from the seller.

I wouldn't sweat the one negative at all. You still look good from your rating.
 
I am always cautious about leaving Neg feedback (On E-bay my rating is 273/100%) Primarily for fear of receiving retaliatory negative feedback.
In my opinion this is the weak point of the feedback system as the seller in this case clearly has a bad attitude and neg feedback for yourself will likely result.
This is certainly a situation where a Negative should be left, however, in your position I would be inclined to leave a Neutral with an explanation.
Savvy buyers will recognise this for what it is and use caution in their dealings with this joker. Hopefully the seller won't go further than leaving you a neutral as retaliation.

BTW: The honourable thing for the seller to do would either be Ship your missing 500 rounds (boxes are not hard to come by) or compensate you for this shortfall.
I would certainly be interested in finding out who this guy is for my own protection.

Edit: Have checked your feedback and noted his name for further reference. It would be helpful if he would post a factual account here of his side of the story.
 
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The person I was posting this thread about has not received feedback from me as yet and have not left one for me. I will be posting neutral tonight.
 
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