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Lol H...."Watch this"..........

I've pulled bullets where the primer has popped out but not because it 'detonated'. Glasses are a must for pulling bullets. Hopefully our boy here is okay and to reiterate, the primer went off? Was there powder in the case or was it a squib? Haven't heard of it before but man, just about anything is possible.
 
H4831 said:
OK, I have no idea how the primer could possibly be detonated by using an inertia bullet puller.
However, I do know something about cartridges being fired ouside of a rifle. In the good (bad?) old days it was very common to set a loaded cartridge on a stove, in such places as a hunting camp, or some other place where men were isolated for considerable periods of time, living in some remote cabin and just ran out of other sorts of amuzement.
So, from the horses mouth, here is the skinny on it. A loaded cartridge sitting on a hot stove will, in something up to half a minute or so, depending on how hot the stove is, will detonate the primer. And when the primer goes off it ignites the powder. The rifle case, be they 30-30, 303 or 30-06, usually didn't ruptre, and at this late stage, I can't say for sure if any did or not, but I don't think so. The bullet would fly out, hit the roof of the cabin and go bouncing off somewhere. To be safe, the people doing this would be on the bed, which in the type of cabins I refer to, would be only maybe 8 feet from the stove, and but a blanket between them and the stove. The bullets would barely make a mark in the board roof of the cabin. Usually not visible of where it hit.
And a bit of a surprise, 22 long rifle would go off nearly as loud as a 30-06 and pieces of the case would fly around the room.
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And the Darwin award goes to......

:rolleyes:


Sad reality is I guarantee bullets will go off not in the gun... like when a very very very stupid friend of mine thought it was a good idea to toss a part box of 22LR's into the campfire..

Yes they went off.... yes we all ducked for cover very quickly..

and yes I beat the crap outta him big time.
 
TOMtumtum said:
Hi a friend was pulling bullets with a hammer stile puller and a primer went
off had to go to the dc to take it out of his head . why would the impact set
it off he has the primer there is no dint in the primer just his head
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Sorry i did not wont to start a war and yes i do no what makes it go BANG i just wonted to no how this was possible and yes it was possible do to the fact that the primer was stuck in his head
 
"And a bit of a surprise, 22 long rifle would go off nearly as loud as a 30-06 and pieces of the case would fly around the room."

I cooked off a 22lr on an aluminum frying pan on the stove. left a deep dent in it...
 
Ganderite said:
"And a bit of a surprise, 22 long rifle would go off nearly as loud as a 30-06 and pieces of the case would fly around the room."

I cooked off a 22lr on an aluminum frying pan on the stove. left a deep dent in it...
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Yes we started first with 22 LR, covering up with a blanket, as I said. Then, when we went to try a 30-06 we left the cabin. The bang wasn't that much, and it was soon plain that while the bullet blew out, it barely marked a soft wooden roof.
Ganderite, speaking for myself, I'm certainly glad I was part of that era when people experimented, used common sense, weren't afraid to try things and were always careful not to get hurt.
 
H4831 said:
Yes we started first with 22 LR, covering up with a blanket, as I said. Then, when we went to try a 30-06 we left the cabin. The bang wasn't that much, and it was soon plain that while the bullet blew out, it barely marked a soft wooden roof.
Ganderite, speaking for myself, I'm certainly glad I was part of that era when people experimented, used common sense, weren't afraid to try things and were always careful not to get hurt.
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Cooking a Bullet = Stupid.. period.

Cooking a bullet while in the cabin = Darwin award wannabe

Cooking a bullet and getting the f**k out of there = a grain of common sense




Mind u even w/my moron friend yrs ago (see aboce post) I was NEVER EVER that fuc'ing dumb as to put any ammo into a fire even if I was outside the cabin!


Sorry to offend but that really is being a DUMB kid.



It's right up there with the youtube awards for whom can hold a cheery bomb the longest.......




If I ever caught any of my kids doing anything even close to that I'd flatten them to the floor faster than they can blink... to say the least.




btw H4831. Common sense is one of the most rare elements in the universe. Frank Zappa nailed it perfectly:

Some scientists claim that hydrogen, because it is so plentiful, is the basic building block of the universe. I dispute that. I say there is more stupidity than hydrogen, and that is the basic building block of the universe. - Frank Zappa
 
Ever wonder how much knowledge we right off as "common knowledge" and "That would be stupid" was gained by people experimenting and asking what if? I have done stupid and redneck things only to learn and pass the knowledge to those who come after me. I find it hard to chastize people who 30-60 years ago learned hard lessons so that I was able to use that knowledge to keep my fingers.

Thank you old bored hunters.

tbhupe
 
TOMtumtum said:
Hi a friend was pulling bullets with a hammer stile puller and a primer went
off had to go to the dc to take it out of his head . why would the impact set
it off he has the primer there is no dint in the primer just his head
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Another Hammer Puller disaster story - don't use them, they're dangerous! :rolleyes: It's always someone's friend.......... Let's get all the details and some pics - but we won't.

I'm going to call BS on this. As soon as I'm proven wrong, I will do a major league apology - but I won't have to.
 
Well - Back in the dirty old days, young men did all sorts of risky things... Remember refillable butane lighters? Late one night at the cottage my brothers and I were around the campfire - making our usual efforts to escape reality.
One of my brothers decides to throw a butane refill canister into the fire, without telling anyone. The thing let off with a violent explosion, blowing the fire to "smithereens"...
None of us were injured (fortunately). If my brother hadnt been laughing so hard, I doubt that we would have ever known what happened. The biggest issue was retreiving/extinguishing all the burning embers which had been blown into the woods.
 
A fellow I work with was standing around the campfire, not knowing a can of corn had been placed in the fire. The amazing, and absolutely hilarious part is, he hardly reacted when the thing exploded, the rest of the party ducked for cover, and he kept on standing there picking bits of corn out of his hair....

Sometimes the world needs some of that stupid sh*t just to remind us that even danger should be laughed at once in a while.
 
curtmg said:
So, Professor Saputin, please enlighten us on what REALLY happened. And explain why my bullet hammer manual had a warning about such a thing happening. It's been stated that I don't understand how the whole thing works, and I'd like to understand.

What I said is that the primer is NOT seated properly to the bottom of the pocket, so that it is moving under kinetic force, hitting the bottom of the pocket, or possibly some debris within the pocket, with momentum, causing the primer to fire. I'm not being argumentative, I just want to understand what part of my theory is wrong.
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I'm with Saputin on this.

The warning that comes with the manual proves nothing, only that lawyers like to protect against any eventuality, even (really especially) those errors caused by idiotic misuse of their product "reloading is an inherently dangerous activity, follow instructions, eye protection, etc.".

As for the primer theory - not plausible. The primer weighs a few grains, and no manner of hammer swing could possibly create enough momentum for it to be driven further into the primer pocket (ever try to force one in by thumb pressure?), and certainly not enough to do that and deform the anvil enough to cause it to fire. Heck I have had guns whose firing spring pressure was enough to dent the cup, but not fire it.

Thirdly, if the primer did go off, it would begin to burn the powder charge, but the charge would only burn correctly if it was contained enough to develop sufficient pressure to burn. Uncontained "open air" smokeless powder is difficult to ignite, and just fizzles - try it. If it did develop enough pressure to ignite (even partially), it would typically force the bullet out of the cartridge and not rupture the case (with shrapnel flying everywhere like we hear). Once the bullet was ejected, pressure falls and it fizzles out. If the bullet was crimped, it would be more energetic of course.

We can't just blindly swallow every story that hits the Internets. Related to this thread, for example, the media believes that ammo stored in a home can explode into a mushroom cloud and leave a smoking crater, so it should be banned.

We are often our own worst enemy. This same thing will come up again and again, and I will again speak my mind.

Be safe, it's a dangerous world out there. ;)
 
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Andy said:
Another Hammer Puller disaster story - don't use them, they're dangerous! :rolleyes: It's always someone's friend.......... Let's get all the details and some pics - but we won't.

I'm going to call BS on this. As soon as I'm proven wrong, I will do a major league apology - but I won't have to.
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We'll both be doing the apology thing Andy....but we won't.
 
H4831 said:
OK, I have no idea how the primer could possibly be detonated by using an inertia bullet puller.
However, I do know something about cartridges being fired ouside of a rifle. In the good (bad?) old days it was very common to set a loaded cartridge on a stove, in such places as a hunting camp, or some other place where men were isolated for considerable periods of time, living in some remote cabin and just ran out of other sorts of amuzement.
So, from the horses mouth, here is the skinny on it. A loaded cartridge sitting on a hot stove will, in something up to half a minute or so, depending on how hot the stove is, will detonate the primer. And when the primer goes off it ignites the powder. The rifle case, be they 30-30, 303 or 30-06, usually didn't ruptre, and at this late stage, I can't say for sure if any did or not, but I don't think so. The bullet would fly out, hit the roof of the cabin and go bouncing off somewhere. To be safe, the people doing this would be on the bed, which in the type of cabins I refer to, would be only maybe 8 feet from the stove, and but a blanket between them and the stove. The bullets would barely make a mark in the board roof of the cabin. Usually not visible of where it hit.
And a bit of a surprise, 22 long rifle would go off nearly as loud as a 30-06 and pieces of the case would fly around the room.
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I haven't had anywhere near your experiences my friend, but I know what you're talking about. Too bad the safety nazis have everybody so scared to 'play' these days that they don't know what fun we had. I remember one day I was outside our hunt camp burning garbage in the barrel. All of a sudden I could hear what sounded like a jet engine starting up behind me. One of the guys came running out of the cabin laughing and pointed up.

There was a 3-4 foot flame shooting out of the stove pipe. What the hell ??? LOL. We had just finished cooking breakfast for everybody on the cook stove, including about 5 lbs of bacon. He took the top cover off the extremely hot stove and dumped a nearly full frying pan full of grease in. The guys that were inside told me that all the top covers on the stove were rattling like mad for about 20 seconds. LOL. Could you imagine what would happen if you did that with todays mentality ? Guys would be tripping over themselves to get to the fire extinguishers (which we didn't have) or they'd be diving out the windows to get away "before she blows". LOL.
 
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I have heard of three cases of kinetic type bullet pullers setting off primers (for reasons unknown), but no powder, just like the OP stated. If I use my puller, I wear a heavy leather glove, eye protection, and I hammer way out at the end of my reach. I'n not sure if it would help much in the event of a full detonation, but it likely could not make things worse.
 
I regularly shoot loaded shotshells by hitting them directly on the primer at about 20 yards are so with my 1000FPS pellet rifle. Lots of fun, rather challenging and as H4831 stated it is pretty uneventful. The shotshell detonates loudly, but the bark is worse than the bite, as the shot exits with little velocity or energy.
 
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