What has been your experience with 7mm-08 or 7x57mm?

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As the title says, I'm interested in getting feedback on your experience a your rifle and reloads in 7mm, (either in 7mm Mauser or 7mm-08). I know the merits of each, but since I don't have a rifle in that chambering yet, I was wondering if you could let me know what your experience has been.

Many thanks.
 
Load em and shoot em!

Light bullets use Varget
Heavy bullets use 4350

Respect '93 Mausers and pressures.

Modern actions watch the x57 shine!
 
Both very efficient and effective chamberings for 99% of your hunting needs.

When you are ready to reload send me a PM I have a spreadsheet for 7-08 with various loads/bullet combinations.
 
Load em and shoot em!

Light bullets use Varget
Heavy bullets use 4350

Respect '93 Mausers and pressures.

Modern actions watch the x57 shine!

Well noted Lefty. I wouldn't think of cranking up any pressures on anything less than either a Solid 98 action or a modern rifle capable of handling 50,000psi +.
 
Kelly Timoffee;8979714...When you are ready to reload send me a PM I have a spreadsheet for 7-08 with various loads/bullet combinations.[/QUOTE said:
Thank you for the offer Kelly, I will no doubt take you up on that offer if I pick myself up an action that I can build a -08. Though I am pretty sure, most folks rebarrel / chamber a modern action such as a Remington 700, correct? I see that there is no need for an extractor cut and since you're using a .308 case, then the standard short action bolt and action is all you need to start...of course having the proper tools and headspace gauges are a necessity.
 
The biggest problem with the 7x57, are its cases.

The cases are manufactured for lower pressures, below 50,000 psi.

I have several rifles chambered in 7x57. As mentioned, it is more than adequate for 99% of the shooting needed in Canada.

Most, not all military 7x57 rifles were built around the 175 grain bullets and have the deep throats to accommodate those long bullets.

Some, like the Brazilian 1908s and 1935s as well as the 1912 Steyrs were chambered for the 140 grain bullets. They will all shoot the 175 grain offering but, in some cases they won't chamber bullets deep enough to close the bolt. I've experienced this on more than one 1935 Brazilian.

TO give an idea of the velocities the Brazilians loaded their 7x57 cartridges to, they got 2900fps from 29in bbls. That is darn good. The shorter barreled rifles, come in about 100 fps slower. The Brazilians, are 98 actions.

Remington, Winchester, Ruger, BSA, Tikka etc make or have made rifles chambered in 7x57.

I have a Remington Mod 700 Classic, chambered in 7x57 and a Remington Mod 7, chambered in 7-08.

Both have 22 in bbls. I bebarreled the mod 7, with a 700 take off barrel.

Now, for performance.

The Mod 7, in 7-08, would always shoot a bit faster than the Mod 700 in 7x57. Even with the same powder charge listed as max for the 7-08 in the Lyman 49 manual.

That isn't unusual as there was only an average of 50fps difference on my chrony.

Now, I did notice a tendency for the 7x57 cases to get pressure rings around the base, where the sidewalls meet the curve.

I cut some cases in half and the 7-08 cases were a bit thicker, quite a ways up the case wall. Lots more strength, less stretch.

Ok, I had about 60 Lake City Match 30-06 cases that weren't getting used and were still new in their original boxes. Lovely soft, virgin brass that was easily formed in one, well lubricated, smooth pass to 7x57. Then trimmed to length and resized again.

I sacrificed two of the LC cases and cut them in half to check wall thickness. It was almost identical to the thicknesses of the 7-08 cases, only around a thou difference and actually thicker.

I then loaded them up to the same capacity, suggested by the No 49 Lyman manual but still got slower velocities out of them than the 7-08. NO Pressure Rings though. Not even a hint of it.

I played with 10 rounds, to see what type of lifespan I could get from the reloads with 140 grain bullets.

after six loadings, the brass was getting quite hard and needed to be reannealed.

This time, I thought I would bump up the powder charge a bit. The case neck of the 7x57 is longer than the 7-08 and there is more room for powder in the case when the bullets are seated out as long as the mag well will allow.

This was done with meticulous care. The first three grains were just added, then 1/2 grain at a time. I was using H414SL10 over CCI250 primers. Very close but slightly slower than W760 or H414. It was one of the early experimental "extreme" powders used by Winchester and other companies back in the day when old Tom Higginson was still around. Darn good powder. Very good consistency under extreme conditions.

Well, I got up to 55 grains of H414SL10 into the case easily, without any pressure signs. No loose primers or case head expansion, nor any pressure rings.

55 grains of the same powder, fills up halfway to the 7-08 case neck.

Now, performance wise, I finally got the 7x57 Rem 700 to shoot faster than the 7-08 with the same bullets. A whopping 50 fps on average faster. Whoop de do. It just wasn't worth the hassle, other than I learned a valuable lesson.

Then I remembered, "Once the sweet spot is reached in a loading, a ten% powder increase will give about a 1% velocity increase, depending on powder being used of course." This proved true with my little experiment.

When push comes to shove, the 7-08 will do anything a 7x57 will do. It has the advantage of being able to size down readily available 308 Win brass as well. It also comes chambered in lighter rifles.

I wouldn't feel under gunned with either of them.

The big issue is availability of the firearms. There are several milsurps out there in varying condition, made by various manufacturers and were suitable for the cartridges made for them at the time of manufacture.

Some of the best, are the Serbian 98s, Brazilian and Chilean 98s etc. They don't come cheap, especially if they are matching and in VG or better condition.

P&S has some Chilean and Brazilian 98s for sale right now, chambered in 7x57. I have a couple of each and they are great rifles that are very accurate, as long as I do my part.

If you're looking for a hunting rifle, rather than a collectible shooter, buy a recent commercial offering. If you can find one of the lovely BSA rifles, grab it. They are about as classy as the they come for the classy 7x57 round and make a very nice combination. Nothing at all wrong with the other offerings.

If I were looking exclusively for a hunting rifle, as well as a shooter, I would peruse the web and look over all of the rifles chambered in 7-08 by various companies, both offshore and local.

Maybe even attend the gun shows to look for one but they don't show up often.

Performance wise, when push comes to shove they are ballistic equals.

It's your choice.

The 7x57, is nostalgic and ultimately capable with all weight offerings in all rifles chambered for it.

The 7-08 is a little race horse and performs above the levels it should.

Sadly, neither cartridge gets the respect they really deserve. Magnumitis is a deadly disease.
 
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We have two 7x57 rifles in the house right now - my wife's custom Ruger 77 tang safety and my Husqvarna. The 7mm-08 is as close as can be to the 7x57 in performance.
With the fine choices of sporting rifles in 7x57 I would not start building on a military Mod 98 Mauser, but I learned that over quite a few rifle builds.
I would be looking for a Brno or Husqvarna in 7x57 if I had my heart set on a Mauser action. In modern rifles I might be more tempted by one of the lightweight mountain rifles, though I would not go for an 18 inch barrel.
 
Thanks Andy.

@ bear hunter, your description of both 7mm offerings should be made into a reference sticky. I can't thank you enough for your knowledge on the subject! Wow!
 
We have two 7x57 rifles in the house right now - my wife's custom Ruger 77 tang safety and my Husqvarna. The 7mm-08 is as close as can be to the 7x57 in performance.
With the fine choices of sporting rifles in 7x57 I would not start building on a military Mod 98 Mauser, but I learned that over quite a few rifle builds.
I would be looking for a Brno or Husqvarna in 7x57 if I had my heart set on a Mauser action. In modern rifles I might be more tempted by one of the lightweight mountain rifles, though I would not go for an 18 inch barrel.

Good info to build on. It's great getting feedback from you on builds and what you're currently using in 7mm.
 
The 700 would be my choice as it has the greatest amount of options and accessories available to any rifle.

Thank you for the offer Kelly, I will no doubt take you up on that offer if I pick myself up an action that I can build a -08. Though I am pretty sure, most folks rebarrel / chamber a modern action such as a Remington 700, correct? I see that there is no need for an extractor cut and since you're using a .308 case, then the standard short action bolt and action is all you need to start...of course having the proper tools and headspace gauges are a necessity.
 
After a quick peruse, I don't see where anyone has mentioned that what you have is basically the same cartridge, one designed for a short action while the other is designed for the medium or standard length action. Ballistic twins although the 7X57 should have a slight edge in a modern action with a longer throat. I have not noticed that the brass is made any different from any other brass and to say the 7X57 brass limits it's loading potential I would have to disagree. The 7X57 AI is a very impressive cartridge and equals the 280 Rem with all bullets and steps up into the next category of 7mms. The only real choice is do want a short action or do you want a standard length action, mid-velocity 7mm?
 
I have not noticed that the brass is made any different from any other brass and to say the 7X57 brass limits it's loading potential I would have to disagree.
I have to agree with the above statement, though I have found Norma brass to be on the soft side. My 7x57 has a rather long throat, and is stepping on the heels of the .270 without any pressure signs. Loads are over book max. however.
 
I have had a long and lasting love affair with the 7x57.
It was the first center fire rifle I ever fired, and that began the attachment.

I have owned a number of different 7x57s over the years, and never had one I didn't like.
Wish I had kept my Ruger #1AB in that chambering.
At present, I have a Remington 700 "Classic" so chambered.

I flirt with 3000 fps, using the 140 Accubond and Reloder 17.
The 150's are about 100 fps slower. 160's make 2700+.
Never felt a need to use the 175's, so no experience there.

Very accurate, and quite effective in the field. [If 8 moose with 8 shots means anything, lol]
I have taken game from coyotes right up to Elk and moose, and all died without a problem.

I have owned 3, 7-08 rifles as well, and the difference in performance is negligible.

One of the nice things about both the 7x57 and the 7-08 is their mild manners.

I will always have a 7x57 in my battery....too much attachment to ignore. :)

Regards, Eagleye.
 
After a quick peruse, I don't see where anyone has mentioned that what you have is basically the same cartridge, one designed for a short action while the other is designed for the medium or standard length action. Ballistic twins although the 7X57 should have a slight edge in a modern action with a longer throat. I have not noticed that the brass is made any different from any other brass and to say the 7X57 brass limits it's loading potential I would have to disagree. The 7X57 AI is a very impressive cartridge and equals the 280 Rem with all bullets and steps up into the next category of 7mms. The only real choice is do want a short action or do you want a standard length action, mid-velocity 7mm?

When I first started loading the 7x57, the only cases available were made by Western Cartridge Company. Good ammunition for its day. Actually, some of the best bullets for accuracy and hunting came from them.

If Norma, Dominion or even RWS cases had been available to me at the time, I would have tried them, after cutting and measuring wall thicknesses. The LC cases died a several years ago. Now, I use Lapua cases and have never had an issue with them.

The cases that were showing pressure rings, about a decade ago, were Remington. I like Remington brass but in this case, they would be trouble waiting to happen at the pressures I generate in my handloads.

IMHO, the cases do need to be watched carefully when you start pushing past the tolerances the original cartridges were made for.

As often as not, the manufacturers will either be making them up from something similar weight wise or copying old specs.

Myself and several others had similar issues with 6.5x55 cases, when the longer rifles were being introduced in Canada during the mid seventies.

I wish I had been able to pick up one of those lovely M94 Swede Mausers. ( I had to whine about that)
 
I have some experience with 7mm-08. It's killer on deer, decently flat, easy on the shoulder, and fits in a short action. Not so fast that you really need premium bullets, and still carries enough to take deer at extended range. If I had to complain about something, the brass isn't as available or cheap as some other cartridges. You can load heavier bullets for bigger game, but I'd rather go 30 caliber for Elk/Moose.
 
If you want a real 7mm, get a 7mm STW.

I've owned no less than 6 - 7mmSTW rifles over the years....do not have one at present.

Wonderfully flat shooting, and retain plenty of energy way out there, but burn a tubful
of powder and eat throats like mad.

Took a number of successful long shots with STW's.

Sooner have an STW than a 7mm RUM though. [I DO have a 7mm SAUM, which I really like]

Cheers, Eagleye.
 
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