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Hey guys Im kinda new to firearms and I was wondering what firearm parts I can or cant bring up from the states into Canada w/o any special licensing. I know receivers are a definite no no, but what about other parts like triggers, sears, bolts, barrels, etc.
To be more specific, I was looking at a Marlin 336 Rifle Lever. (lever only. No rifle)
I dont yet have PAL yet.
Thanks!
 
Welcome to the board. You'll find that this has been discussed a lot - over and over again to be exact. Practice using the search function since you're new to the board. Search for "US Export". There is also a lengthly sticky on the subject.

Very, very simple. You can bring NOTHING back from the US that is really a firearm part. Not a magazine, not a spring, not a trigger, not a stock, not even a screw (if it is identified as a firearm part).

US ITAR regulations are very clear. The exporter (i.e. you) need an export permit no matter how much or how little your shipment of parts costs. The shipment itself (i.e. the parts themselves) also needs a license. An exporter with a permit (which I presume you are not or you wouldn't have asked the question in the first place) can get an exemption for the shipment's license if the cost of the shipment is less than $100.00 USD but you still need the permit.

Some parts are explicitly not allowed to be exported such as parts for designated military or military type firearms or rifle scopes with 'military technology'.

It hasn't always been this way and yes it sucks but that's current US regulations. None of these restrictions are because of Canadian Law. If you get caught trying to export with out the US paperwork, you're pretty much screwed. Canadian customs don't enforce it but if US officials catch you, you're done.

You can also bring NO reloading components or loaded ammunition. You can bring tools, cleaning supplies, refinishing products, bipods, slings, scope covers, and other things that are not firearm parts.

There is a process by which a private citizen can obtain the permit/license to export from the US but it is most likely not worth it for any typical private purchase.

Some US vendors hold the correct permits and can/will export to Canada. Call their help desk or check out their web sites. Brownells is the best out there as they export most of their catalogue (not all) and will work with you to figure out if you can or cannot get the items. Some OEMs export - Savage Arms for example will export parts, magazines, etc. to Canada.

Your best bet is try to find a Canadian retailer for what you're looking for. It isn't always easy but do your homework and then ask here on the board and someone will probably help.

Yep prices will typically be a little higher in Canada (smaller market, some shipping, and stock was probably purchased before the Canadian dollar went above par) and selection isn't as grand as in the land of the free but what we have is due to US law and it won't change unless they change their regulations.
 
Hi. These guys are Marlin's Canadian Authorized Repair Center.
The Gravel Agency
1530 Provinciale Street
Quebec
Phone #: 866-662-4869
Fax #: 4186823343
 
Wow...that was a reply way better than i was expecting. I guess i'll be looking at some Canadian dealers for now then. Too bad though. Lever going $20 is a total steal.

Anyways, thanks for the replies guys. Really appreciate it!
 
Hello, I am also new to firearms and have a question about shipping items. I assume the op's question was about going through the border? What about buying ammunition online from a retailer or gunbroker.com? Is it legal in Canada to buy ammo from the US Online? Is there permits/forms needed?
 
Ioncannon said:
Hello, I am also new to firearms and have a question about shipping items. I assume the op's question was about going through the border? What about buying ammunition online from a retailer or gunbroker.com? Is it legal in Canada to buy ammo from the US Online? Is there permits/forms needed?
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I don't know of any dealer that can ship live ammo to a customer living in Canada. Get used to paying the Canadian prices.
 
Ummmmmmm,

marijuana , cocaine , heroin , rifle parts, scopes = BAD

socks, keychains, hats, golf clubs, binoculars = GOOD

Honestly I wouldn't even risk bringing anything that had anything to do with firearms.

Why risk the hassle, it may cost slightly more but it pays to shop local.
 
Ioncannon said:
What about buying ammunition online from a retailer or gunbroker.com? Is it legal in Canada to buy ammo from the US Online?
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You are asking several different questions here.
-Is it legal in Canada to buy ammo from the US Online?
Yup, totally legal.
-Is it legal in the USA for a Canadian to buy ammo from the US Online?
Nope.
If you are a resident of the US you can buy (but not export) ammo, if you, as a non-resident alien get a hunting licence or an invite to a competition in the US and apply to the ATF you can be granted permission to buy a limited (but pretty generous) amount of ammo to use while you are in the US. (it's called something like a "form-6")
If you are a US resident and get a hunting licence or an invite to a Canadian competition you can get a permit to export the ammo for your personal use.
 
Splatter has done his research. It basically boils down to this; The US doesn't want canadians having fancy guns, but they are totally cool with selling Weapons to Saudi Arabia( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34838937) . Also, i just wanna add that scope mounting bases and rings do not require a US export permit; however, any "telescopic optical sighting device" or an optical sighting device with a "reticle" is not permitted for export without a permit.
Here is thing though, how frequent does the US boarder services perform export checks on those leaving US and entering Canada? I have purchased rifle scope 20moa bases from US retailers, when I cross the Canadian border the guards, looked at m PAL cause I handed it to them with my passport, then they took the liberty to give me a long lecture about US export laws of which they knew nothing about.

so, I spend 2 hours combing legal Jargon trying to truly figure out what I could export and what i could not, i discovered that scope mounts were allowed, and i compiled a document to "share" with the Canadian boarder officers in the event of another lecture the next time I crossed the boarder with scope mounts. A few weeks later I was returning to Canada with another 20MOA rail, some offset iron sights and a muzzle threat protector, and of course, the document I had put together explaining that I was within my rights. The Canadian border officer looked at my passport, peaked at the assortment of rifle accessories on my passenger seat, told me a story about a cat running into a window and sent me on my way.

Anyone have any horror stories about being subject to a US export check on their way home? Are export checks a thing?



here is the little narrative I compiled.

""""For the boarder officers:

1. Mounts for optical firearm sighting devices are EAR99.
EAR99 is defined as:
“If your item falls under U.S. Department of Commerce jurisdiction and is not listed on the CCL, it is designated as EAR99. EAR99 items generally consist of low-technology consumer goods and do not require a license in most situations. However, if your proposed export of an EAR99 item is to an embargoed country, to an end-user of concern, or in support of a prohibited end-use, you may be required to obtain a license.” (U.S. Department of Commerce, 2015).
2. Optical sighting devices: The U.S. Department of Commerce (2015) page explains that the ECCN for riflescopes and hunting scopes is found under section 0A987 in the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (2015). Section 0A987 states that optical sights for firearms that are telescopic, holographic, reflex/red-dot sights, reticle sights, other sighting devices that contain optical elements, laser pointing sights, and lenses for any of the aforementioned sighting systems are subject to controlled export in keeping with the firearms convention (The Commerce Control List, 2015). In order to export these items one must submit an application to the Bureau of Industry and Security via their Simplified Netwok Application Processing (SNAP-R) system (Country Chart, 2015). The websight enabling application for export of controlled items is as follows: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/l...plication-process-redesign-snap-r/cin-request
It is not clear whether the SNAP-R system is for the explicit use of businesses or “companies” or whether individuals can register as a company and then submit electronic export requests as required. I am pending response from Bureau of Industry and Security staff.



References

U.S. Department of Commerce (2015). Bureau of Industry and Security: Export of firearms and related items FAQs. Retrieved December 15th, 2015 from https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/product-guidance/firearms
Country Chart (2015). Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: Title 15, subtitle B, chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 738: Commerce Conrol List overview and the country chart. Retrieved December 15th, 2015 from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retriev...b1438&ty=HTML&h=L&mc=true&n=pt15.2.738&r=PART

The Commerce Control List (2015). Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: Title 15, subtitle B, chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 774 The Commerce Control List. Heading 0A987. Retrived December 15th, 2015 from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=15:2.1.3.4.45#ap15.2.774_12.1
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I don't have a "horror story" about export controls; but the last time I was in the USA, I was flagged over just before the Osoyoos border crossing, about 1/2 way between Oroville and the border.

It was dark, all I saw for sure was that the car had a lightbar on it, and the guy that came over to talk with me had a grey uniform with shoulder flashes that were definitely not Washington Highway patrol.

The only thing he asked me was "Did you buy any ammunition or firearms while you were in the US?

I said "Ummm,.. no. Is there like a minimum I have to purchase before I can leave?" "Because I've been in the US less than 24 hours so I don't think it should apply to me, I was just dropping a friend off at the airport, because it was cheaper to fly out of here than Canada."

The guy just rolled his eyes, and told me to drive safe.

But I always wondered if the "agent" was just asking a standard question to anyone driving a Canadian car, or if it was "personalized" because I have a PAL.
 
happytoexist said:
Here is thing though, how frequent does the US boarder services perform export checks on those leaving US and entering Canada? I have purchased rifle scope 20moa bases from US retailers, when I cross the Canadian border the guards, looked at m PAL cause I handed it to them with my passport, then they took the liberty to give me a long lecture about US export laws of which they knew nothing about.



I cross through the US/CDA border every single week, mostly for work but about 3-4 times a year for pleasure. Twice in my life I have been stopped by US Customs before the border in my car coming back through Niagara Falls. Firearms never came up but they asked why I was in the US and how long I was there. Flying, I get stopped about once a year so one out of every forty - fifty flights. Flying I get stopped in the jetway with about 2-4 customs agents asking me if I have over $10K US on me as I leave the US. Never asked about firearm parts, they scan my passport in some portable machine, send me on my way and ask the next person the same thing.
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anything that can be attached or components that go into a firearm , that means slings . scopes etc and powder , primers , brass , bullets and ammo. u can bring them across the canadian border but just don't get caught with it in the states or u will be going to jail. order it from brownell they ship to canada it safer that way
 
gyw said:
anything that can be attached or components that go into a firearm , that means slings . scopes etc and powder , primers , brass , bullets and ammo. u can bring them across the canadian border but just don't get caught with it in the states or u will be going to jail. order it from brownell they ship to canada it safer that way
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If you look at section 123.17 it appears that you are allowed to export goods up to $100 that attach to a firearm. This includes slings and bipods. Unless I'm mistaken, this is the most current version of this document.
Would I check with US Border offices before bringing in a $90 bipod, yes, but it does seem allowable.
Ammo and brass is covered under another section.
 
I was down at dickies in walden galleria and there was a 22 break open pellet gun.1200 fps for 60 $. The thought did cross my mind not worth the risk though to save a few hundred.
 
happytoexist said:
Splatter has done his research. It basically boils down to this; The US doesn't want canadians having fancy guns, but they are totally cool with selling Weapons to Saudi Arabia( http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-34838937) . Also, i just wanna add that scope mounting bases and rings do not require a US export permit; however, any "telescopic optical sighting device" or an optical sighting device with a "reticle" is not permitted for export without a permit.
Here is thing though, how frequent does the US boarder services perform export checks on those leaving US and entering Canada? I have purchased rifle scope 20moa bases from US retailers, when I cross the Canadian border the guards, looked at m PAL cause I handed it to them with my passport, then they took the liberty to give me a long lecture about US export laws of which they knew nothing about.

so, I spend 2 hours combing legal Jargon trying to truly figure out what I could export and what i could not, i discovered that scope mounts were allowed, and i compiled a document to "share" with the Canadian boarder officers in the event of another lecture the next time I crossed the boarder with scope mounts. A few weeks later I was returning to Canada with another 20MOA rail, some offset iron sights and a muzzle threat protector, and of course, the document I had put together explaining that I was within my rights. The Canadian border officer looked at my passport, peaked at the assortment of rifle accessories on my passenger seat, told me a story about a cat running into a window and sent me on my way.

Anyone have any horror stories about being subject to a US export check on their way home? Are export checks a thing?



here is the little narrative I compiled.

""""For the boarder officers:

1. Mounts for optical firearm sighting devices are EAR99.
EAR99 is defined as:
“If your item falls under U.S. Department of Commerce jurisdiction and is not listed on the CCL, it is designated as EAR99. EAR99 items generally consist of low-technology consumer goods and do not require a license in most situations. However, if your proposed export of an EAR99 item is to an embargoed country, to an end-user of concern, or in support of a prohibited end-use, you may be required to obtain a license.” (U.S. Department of Commerce, 2015).
2. Optical sighting devices: The U.S. Department of Commerce (2015) page explains that the ECCN for riflescopes and hunting scopes is found under section 0A987 in the Electronic Code of Federal Regulations (2015). Section 0A987 states that optical sights for firearms that are telescopic, holographic, reflex/red-dot sights, reticle sights, other sighting devices that contain optical elements, laser pointing sights, and lenses for any of the aforementioned sighting systems are subject to controlled export in keeping with the firearms convention (The Commerce Control List, 2015). In order to export these items one must submit an application to the Bureau of Industry and Security via their Simplified Netwok Application Processing (SNAP-R) system (Country Chart, 2015). The websight enabling application for export of controlled items is as follows: https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/l...plication-process-redesign-snap-r/cin-request
It is not clear whether the SNAP-R system is for the explicit use of businesses or “companies” or whether individuals can register as a company and then submit electronic export requests as required. I am pending response from Bureau of Industry and Security staff.



References

U.S. Department of Commerce (2015). Bureau of Industry and Security: Export of firearms and related items FAQs. Retrieved December 15th, 2015 from https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/policy-guidance/product-guidance/firearms
Country Chart (2015). Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: Title 15, subtitle B, chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 738: Commerce Conrol List overview and the country chart. Retrieved December 15th, 2015 from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/retriev...b1438&ty=HTML&h=L&mc=true&n=pt15.2.738&r=PART

The Commerce Control List (2015). Electronic Code of Federal Regulations: Title 15, subtitle B, chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 774 The Commerce Control List. Heading 0A987. Retrived December 15th, 2015 from http://www.ecfr.gov/cgi-bin/text-idx?node=15:2.1.3.4.45#ap15.2.774_12.1
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So,you successful? i also need a base for scope,May i go to US and take it in Canada?
 
taosicheng said:
So,you successful? i also need a base for scope,May i go to US and take it in Canada?
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Strangely enough, scope mounts are not ITAR regulated so you can indeed take one back with you. Don't take the scope but mounts (which I believe includes bases and rings) should be good to go.
 
Morpheus256 said:
So, simple question because I've only got my license this year, what about something as simple as a stripper clip? probably not allowed but figured I should ask...
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A stripper clip is not a firearm part and should be exportable without paperwork. An actual magazine though, would be regulated for export and would need a licensed/permitted exporter to get it legally out of the US.
 
gyw said:
anything that can be attached or components that go into a firearm , that means slings . scopes etc and powder , primers , brass , bullets and ammo. u can bring them across the canadian border but just don't get caught with it in the states or u will be going to jail. order it from brownell they ship to canada it safer that way
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Not correct. Slings and sling mounts and scope mounts are not controlled for export out of the US. Ammunition and ammunition components (brass, primers, powder) are explicitly controlled for export so you cannot legally export them out of the US. While you can legally bring them into Canada, you cannot legally bring them out of the US. You have to satisfy the rules, laws and regulations of both countries if you're bringing something out of the US and into Canada.
 
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