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Okay, I'm new to long range, but I really want to get into it. What I'm wondering is, if I wanted to get into some serious long range precision shooting, like 1000 to 1500+ yards, and I wanted to shoot a larger caliber, like .338 or, my personal favourite, .375 H&H Mag, am I nuts?

I want to get into long range precision shooting, for the sake of long range game hunting, and I've shot a really accurate 7mm STW and dropped a bear at 348 yards, (I know, that's like spitting for you precision guys:p), but it made me want to get really good at it, and I love the challenge of real long shots. Is there a large caliber you'd suggest, and is it possible to do anything with a big one like .375 H&H or something like it? And if so, any particular rifle model you'd suggest?

Thanks, in advance, for any advice.:sniper:
 
How about starting out with a .223 or .308 Match rifle and learn to shoot it.

There is more to it than just being able to reach out that far. It's knowing what your bullet will do on its way out there and how to compensate properly.
 
I would be interested in .308. Is it really possible to shoot that far with a non-magnum caliber? I really want to learn more, please bear with my lack of knowledge in this area...:redface: Any particular rifle model suggestions? Why not a bigger caliber? And what exactly is a "match" rifle?
 
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you wont get to killing anything at 1000 yards with a 308, but what is it they say ? practice makes perfect. start with a cheep caliber to shoot, get good at it work your way up to 1000 with a 308 then switch to something you can shoot even further your 375 h&h or what have you. by then your learning curve will be much smaller and you wont go through a pile of money + your left nut funding your ammo consumption.
 
I agree. I'm just getting started and bought a .243 as my first rig. Obviously its a .308 necked down to a 6mm but that made sense for me because of the amazing bullet selection for the .243 and the fact that I could justify spending a bit more on it if I could use it for hunting as well as on the range.

With a smaller rig to start, you can get more practice in for less money.

Some one correct me but itsn't it like a couple bucks a shot with a .338? Compare that to the 40 cents with my .243...

There's nothing wrong with the big bores but what's the point if you don't know how to use it properly? Its just burning powder.

Like I was told when I first got into the threads here... baby steps.
 
Okay, I'm new to long range, but I really want to get into it. What I'm wondering is, if I wanted to get into some serious long range precision shooting, like 1000 to 1500+ yards, and I wanted to shoot a larger caliber, like .338 or, my personal favourite, .375 H&H Mag, am I nuts?

I want to get into long range precision shooting, for the sake of long range game hunting, and I've shot a really accurate 7mm STW and dropped a bear at 348 yards, (I know, that's like spitting for you precision guys:p), but it made me want to get really good at it, and I love the challenge of real long shots. Is there a large caliber you'd suggest, and is it possible to do anything with a big one like .375 H&H or something like it? And if so, any particular rifle model you'd suggest?

Thanks, in advance, for any advice.:sniper:

If your sole purpose for getting into long range shooting is for hunting, I strongly suggest you gain far more experience in shooting and hunting in general before attempting such an endeavour. No one wants a wounded animal. You need to become competent enough to humanely take game at whatever distance you desire to shoot at. There's no magic solution to this besides paying your dues behind a rifle.

The advice given to you to start out with a smaller cartridge like .308 Win. or .223 Rem. is sage. You're wasting your time and money banging out .338 and .375 bullets to learn fundamental shooting techniques. Not to mention the impressive flinch you will soon develop.

Start small and then go big, young grasshoppa'. It will lead you to the path of enlightenment.
 
Okay, I'm new to long range, but I really want to get into it. What I'm wondering is, if I wanted to get into some serious long range precision shooting, like 1000 to 1500+ yards, and I wanted to shoot a larger caliber, like .338 or, my personal favourite, .375 H&H Mag, am I nuts?

I want to get into long range precision shooting, for the sake of long range game hunting, and I've shot a really accurate 7mm STW and dropped a bear at 348 yards, (I know, that's like spitting for you precision guys:p), but it made me want to get really good at it, and I love the challenge of real long shots. Is there a large caliber you'd suggest, and is it possible to do anything with a big one like .375 H&H or something like it? And if so, any particular rifle model you'd suggest?

Thanks, in advance, for any advice.:sniper:

To be able to pull off shots as shown in the NF video and a number of others that float around the net, 3 rifles will be required.
#1 a decently accurate 22LR bolt rifle, like a CZ452. Shooting a 22LR at 200 yards takes as much skill or more than shooting a high caliber rifle at 1000.
With the 22 you work on your breathing, trigger control and get you muscle memory instilled. Start close and work out, Ie 25 yards until all buulets are virtually in the same hole, then out to 50 yards and repeat this, and the 75 and so on. At 200 if you can consistently hit a popcan on end, you have the basics down firmly. This is cost effective, to gain the amount of practice to do this with a centerfire will cost many thousands of dollars, not just a few hundred as 22 ammo is cheap, and the learning is the same.
Step up to a 308 then and repeat the process only now the goal is 1000 yards.
The 2nd would be a 308, which is limited in killing power to about 700 yards under ideal conditions.
Once you have the 308 mastered, you will have found that there are some things that you prefer in a rifle, by this I am meaning how it fits you, what trigger pull you need, as well as stuff like optics and any accessories to make extreme long range easier. Not to mention by then you will have a firm grasp of doping the wind and how to run the turrets on a scope, ballistics and reloading. Reloading your own ammo is a MUST, factory ammo is just not accurate enough for extreme long range hunting, nor is it intended for this purpose. Bullet selection is also critical beyond 500 yards, some bullets fail to expand, and will pencil through , yet at close range will blow up on impact.

Then get a long range rifle built. There are very few production rifles that are capable of under 1/2 moa accuracy at extreme long range, the 1s that are , are just as expensive as a custom, the advantage of the custom is that it can be tailored to your build, requirements of use and caliber of choice.

Of what is on the market today in real long range calibers the heavy 338s seem to dominate, especially in hunting applications. The big 30 cals come close, but lack the weight, and down range energy. The 375 H&H is a nice big bore but has serious issues with extreme long range, due to bullet selection , velocity and what the caliber really has the potential of.

338 Lapua, Edge, even a well built RUM would be the route I would suggest.
There are many opinions on this subject that many will put forth, some with real world experience , some without.
My furthest kill to date is a moose at 1175 yards, my goal is to 1 shot cleanly kill an animal at 1 mile, my best shot to date a head shot on a sparrow at 660yards.
I build extreme long range rifles for a living.

Be aware also that extreme long range hunting is apt to bring all sorts of "ethics questions " and critics of all sorts condemning extreme long range hunting as "not hunting" Some folks think hunting means getting close enough to spit on an animal then pumping lead at it from a rifle that has not seen a box of shells through it since last season.
Long range shooting/hunting is an art that must be kept up religiously or your shooting skills will deteriorate.
 
Good video

The video was cool, the guy's obviously a damn fine shooter, i'm not sure i'd have pulled the trigger on a couple of the shots, I'm not comfortable shooting that close to the top of the hill, a high mis judged shot puts you OVER the hill into mystery territory and i'd not have shot at the one near the road. I was taught to shoot away from the road not towards it.

Anyways, i agree with cyninide that you should start out smaller learn to read the drops at the different differences and gauge the wind accurately then move up. Between the .375 and the .338LM i'd definately take the .338 though.

Do a search for BCRA they'll probably get you started in the longer ranges.

Mike.
 
On October 12 the Ontario Rifle Association is holding the Fall Palma Match (800, 900 and 1000 yards) at Camp Borden (near Barrie). If you or anyone else on this board wants to come and try some long range shooting, this is your chance.

I can lend you a good F class 308 rifle and supply the match ammo for the day.

PM me if interested.
 
Out of curiosity, what rifle/calibre did you use to take the 1175 yard moose?

300 win mag, custom made "Wildcat" 200 gr bullet.
In all honesty I believe that I was pushing the envelope to the max for that caliber. Bullet was placed in the neck which still had enough oomph to break the spine, I would not have considered any other shot placement at that range with that caliber. I have now stepped up into a 338 Lapua Improved which has plenty of energy to kill at 1 mile.
 
300 win mag, custom made "Wildcat" 200 gr bullet.
In all honesty I believe that I was pushing the envelope to the max for that caliber. Bullet was placed in the neck which still had enough oomph to break the spine, I would not have considered any other shot placement at that range with that caliber. I have now stepped up into a 338 Lapua Improved which has plenty of energy to kill at 1 mile.

You are telling me that you meant to hit a moose in the neck/spine @ 1175 yards as the "preferred shot " because of the caliber you were shooting??? AM I reading this correctly??
 
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You are telling me that you meant to hit a moose in the neck/spine @ 1175 yards as the "preferred shot " because of the caliber you were shooting??? AM I reading this correctly??

Yes as I believe that with the broadside shot that was presented to shoot chest cavity possibly would not have resulted in a clean kill, in my experience broken necks are pretty instant deaths, necks have far less meat and protective bone to encounter as well.
Where else would you suggest being better shot placement at that distance?
 
Wow! A lot of valuable advice. Thank you guys:D. I do like the sound of starting out with the cheap .22LR, and practice. I don't want to spend a fortune learning the harder and slower way of trial and error with expensive .338 or .375 rounds. If I did, then I might just become one of those grumpy opinionated old farts that says a shot over 400 yards can't be done. I think that will be one of my next purchases is a decent bolt action 22LR and go from there. I know you mentioned one, Alberta Tactical Rifle, how much should I budget for rifle and optics? Should I just get a stellar scope right off the bat and transfer it eventually as I go bigger caliber, to get really used to it?
 
Wow! A lot of valuable advice. Thank you guys:D. I do like the sound of starting out with the cheap .22LR, and practice. I don't want to spend a fortune learning the harder and slower way of trial and error with expensive .338 or .375 rounds. If I did, then I might just become one of those grumpy opinionated old farts that says a shot over 400 yards can't be done. I think that will be one of my next purchases is a decent bolt action 22LR and go from there. I know you mentioned one, Alberta Tactical Rifle, how much should I budget for rifle and optics? Should I just get a stellar scope right off the bat and transfer it eventually as I go bigger caliber, to get really used to it?

For the 22, a decent scope is nice, but no need to go nuts a couple hundred $$ gets a real good rimfire type scope.
Knowing that you plan to go distance and that a further upgrade in rifle and caliber will come at some point I would buy the best optics you can, even if it makes saving a little longer a requirement.
I highly recommend the 5.5x22 Nightforce, very clear, extremely repeatable and rugged, lots of elevation and a scope you will never outgrow.
I see time and time agian where a guy has settled for a Bushnel or Leupold, which are decent scopes to be sure, but are limited in some respects when it comes to extreme long range. Having turrets and reticles that are both in the same increments I believe makes LR shooting easier. Having a milradian type reticle with MOA turrets was stupid back in the day and is still stupid today, but most scope makers still produce only that type of combination. Nightforce and USO are the only 1s, to the best of my knowledge, that make moa reticles with corresponding moa turrets. S&B and some of the other European scope makers make scopes with metric or milrad reticles that do have corresponding turrets, but for the most part are considerably more expensive than NF and have a long way to go for any warranty or repair.
 
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