What is good case to case consistancy?

Lefty Dick

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I recently bought some better quality cases for reloading.
I randomly took 20 out of 100 I purchased, and weighed them on my digital scale.

Avarage weight was 188.85gr.
Heaviest case weighed in at 189.4gr.
Lightest casse weighed in at 188.4gr.

Having never payed so much attention to cases before.

Is this good, or are there better or closer tollerences?
 
Did you weigh them after sizing and trimming to length? I have a bunch of .308 Lapua cases (1800 of them) that run from a low of 170 gr up to a high of 174 gr. Out of the 1800 cases about 10-12 were under or over those weights, and yes I did weigh every case:eek: I sort them into 1 gr batches and go from there.
 
i think it makes way more sense to sort by volume and not by weight. if you insist on sorting by weight do what maynard does and buy 1800 cases and maybe you'll get a couple hundred at the same weight then sell the rest. but you'll have to fully prep the brass before you weigh...FL resize, debur primer pocket, trim them ALL to the same length, turn the necks so they are ALL the same thickness etc.
 
My Lapua 6BR brass was very consistent.

Out of 600 Cases:

Approx 350 weighed between 126.0 and 126.9
Approx 250 weighed between 127.0 and 127.9
I had less than 20 out of the 600 that weighed over or under those weights. So 20 cases out of 600 that did not make the grade is a pretty good ratio in my books.

I keep the 126 cases and the 127 cases separated in their own tubs and label my reloads as to which cases I used.

I was talking to Bill Flintoft who told me that there was a study done at one time and the result was that 1grn in case weight difference ended up the equivalent of a .1grn powder difference.
 
I have found that weighing brass is not an ideal indicator of case capacity.

If you want to measure case capacity, measure case capacity.

With fireformed, sized and trimmed brass, fill one case to the brim tapping the sides to settle the powder as compact as possible. Use a very fine ball powder or flake pistol powder. Extruded powder will not work. I use Win680.

Now dump that powder into the next case, tap and see where it settles. Repeat with all the other cases. If you have same brand and lot, you will find that pretty much all the cases have the same case volume. I allow for 1/16" difference in neck height with a 308 volume case - essentially zip for volume. I don't think I have culled a brass in quite sometime.

Take this batch of identical volume brass and weigh them. I bet their weights vary.

Where is the extra weight? Extractor groove and how important is that to your overall accuracy?

Jerry
 
I have found that weighing brass is not an ideal indicator of case capacity.

If you want to measure case capacity, measure case capacity.

With fireformed, sized and trimmed brass, fill one case to the brim tapping the sides to settle the powder as compact as possible. Use a very fine ball powder or flake pistol powder. Extruded powder will not work. I use Win680.

Now dump that powder into the next case, tap and see where it settles. Repeat with all the other cases. If you have same brand and lot, you will find that pretty much all the cases have the same case volume. I allow for 1/16" difference in neck height with a 308 volume case - essentially zip for volume. I don't think I have culled a brass in quite sometime.

Take this batch of identical volume brass and weigh them. I bet their weights vary.

Where is the extra weight? Extractor groove and how important is that to your overall accuracy?

Jerry

+1 on measuring and comparing internal volume instead of weight. Here's a study 3 of us conducted with 235 cases in different brands/calibers, including Lapua. Each case was trimmed, neck turned and fully prepped before it was weighted and volume measured. Basically it shows that the correlation between case weight and internal volume is very poor to non-existent. The text is in French, but you can get an instant translation by inserting the URL address in the appropriate box on the Babelfish translation site:
http://babelfish.yahoo.com/

http://extreme-precision.forum-2007.../triage-de-douilles-poids-ou-volume-t4911.htm

Bottom line, we like to hold case consistency at + or -0.5% of internal volume.
 
Case weight isn't that important unless you're shooting formal bench rest matches. Your one grain variation brass is extremely consistent though.
 
1800 lapua pieces, damn man I only keep about 100 piece of brass per caliber :p

Yes but when you need 150+ for the provincial matches and another 400 or so for the DCRA with only about 5 days in between you don't have time to get everything reloaded in time.
500 Lapua bullets arrived yesterday, time to get loading.
 
That 1.0 grain extreme spread is very, very good.

A fun experiment to try, if you bother weighing and sorting your brass:

- set aside your very lightest one or two cases, and your very heaviest one or two cases. Mark "L" on the lighest ones, and "H" on the heaviest ones, and keep them separate.
- sort your brass according to whatever your original plan was, make the very best ammo you can with it. At the same time, also load your "L" and your "H" cases with the exact same loading. Put them in your ammo box upside down so that you won't accidentally shoot them, or put them in a box of their own.
- the next time you are shooting a match, at the longest range you ever shoot, immediately after you finish shooting the match (if time allows), fire your "L" and your "H" ammo. You are doing this with a fully-sighted in rifle at this point, which has just fired a group that you've plotted and you understand.
- carefully record where the "L" and the "H" ammo strikes the target.

From this, you will be able to determine how sensitive your ammo is to case weight variations. If your "L" and "H" ammo go into the same group that you shot with your weight-sorted ammo, this tells you that you might not have to really sweat the details of the brass sorting. Or, perhaps that 1-grain "bins" for your sorting is as fine as you need to go (I've seen some people sort to 0.1 grain "bins"; I don't think that this is necessary, but you can figure this out with your own testing).

This technique of shooting "outliers" and see whether or not they go into your group, can also be used for learning the effects of:

- the heaviest or lightest bullet you find in a box
- a carefully made piece of ammo with 0.5 grains more or less powder
- A damaged bullet (e.g. an unusually blunt or sharp tip)
- etc
 
Yes but when you need 150+ for the provincial matches and another 400 or so for the DCRA with only about 5 days in between you don't have time to get everything reloaded in time.
500 Lapua bullets arrived yesterday, time to get loading.

oh yeah sorry, I'm only a hobby shooter, forgot about that :p
 
Good case to case consistency? If I polish off a case in no less than 6 hrs I usually don't pass out till after sundown :D .

Sorry guys, workin on a case.
 
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