What is so great about the 35 Whelen?

Just because Alliant says that "X" amount of RL15 produces "Y" amount of pressure and is safe in their test rifle it doesn't mean that it's safe in YOUR rifle. When I started reloading for my .35 Whelen last month I ran into high velocities an pressure with less than Alliant's max.

57.5gr of RL15 and a 250gr gave me 2654fps out of a 22" barrel
58gr of RL15 and a 225gr TSX gave 2810fps out of a 22" barrel

That's way more with way less than Alliant's data.
 
it doesn't mean that it's safe in YOUR rifle

A BIG 10-4 to that.

I remember your adventures when U were starting to load for that custom barreled gun. Reducing and working up to safe levels is always the way to go with a new gun and/or load combo. A chrony can be quite helpful as I think U discovered as well as the other pressure indicators. You had to quit early with the powder as a few others on this forum have found too.

The 35 Whelen is usually easy to find a good effective hunting load which is another plus. It's not too finicky I find. Of course also common 30/06 brass can be used which is another thing that makes it a great cartridge - to go back to the original post.
 
Another factor to consider is that Alliant RL 15 has shown some lot-to-lot variations in burn rate, so one has to be careful for that reason, if no other. I bought 8# and mixed it all together, so the buring rate will be consistant through that 8#. That way I do not have to redevelop loads until all that is used up. Regards, Eagleye.
 
ILoveBigRacks said:
Jeez you guys - QUIT IT!!!! Now you've all got me thinking of rebarreling my weatherby .30-06. Every time I come onto this darned forum and start reading it ends up costing me money :rolleyes: ;) .

I'd stick with the '06.....
 
The ought-what now?

Regarding the veolicty claims - let me leave you with a tidbit of (physics-backed) wisdom. In the physics world (i.e., the 'real world') you NEVER get something for nothing. Anytime ANYE claims to be doing so, there is something else going on - a trick, or outright lies. It's all about entropy and the conservation of energy. 'Perpetual motion' machines are a perfect example. So, when someone tells me that they can take their 35 Ackley Whelen and perform as good as (or better than) a 375 H&H, something is bogus. The 375 H&H has more powder capacity - more fuel, as it were. Therefore, to be running a 35 AH at those levels, something is not adding up. In this case, I'd suspect it would be pressures. MEASURE the pressure of the 35, then load the 375 up to that same pressure level, then do your comparison. The same applies to Paco's 45 Colt loads. When a 45 colt is performing similarly to a 45/70 - you KNOW there's a serious pressure difference between the two. Load the 45/70 up to the same level of pressure (measured, not estimated), and then see what's what. One of the two has a lot more powder, which equals more energy.
This principal also applies to 'improved' configurations. If you get 5% more capacity, then you'll also get 5% more power. There is no 'magic' involded - if it seems you're getting more than your money's worth, then you're well over pressure. This may be fine and dandy, and it might even be safe. But you're still a lot closer to the edge than you were before, so it's certainly not AS safe. Plus, you're comparing apples to scud missiles.
 
prosper said:
The ought-what now?

Regarding the veolicty claims - let me leave you with a tidbit of (physics-backed) wisdom. In the physics world (i.e., the 'real world') you NEVER get something for nothing. Anytime ANYE claims to be doing so, there is something else going on - a trick, or outright lies. It's all about entropy and the conservation of energy. 'Perpetual motion' machines are a perfect example. So, when someone tells me that they can take their 35 Ackley Whelen and perform as good as (or better than) a 375 H&H, something is bogus. The 375 H&H has more powder capacity - more fuel, as it were. Therefore, to be running a 35 AH at those levels, something is not adding up. In this case, I'd suspect it would be pressures. MEASURE the pressure of the 35, then load the 375 up to that same pressure level, then do your comparison. The same applies to Paco's 45 Colt loads. When a 45 colt is performing similarly to a 45/70 - you KNOW there's a serious pressure difference between the two. Load the 45/70 up to the same level of pressure (measured, not estimated), and then see what's what. One of the two has a lot more powder, which equals more energy.
This principal also applies to 'improved' configurations. If you get 5% more capacity, then you'll also get 5% more power. There is no 'magic' involded - if it seems you're getting more than your money's worth, then you're well over pressure. This may be fine and dandy, and it might even be safe. But you're still a lot closer to the edge than you were before, so it's certainly not AS safe. Plus, you're comparing apples to scud missiles.


Well put.... but you may as well be talking to the wall... as the "hot loaders" just don't (and won't ever) get it, and will continue to trick/outsmart the ballisticians!

280_ACKLEY
 
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