what is the most "potent" 22lr cartridge?
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Aguila Super Maximum velocity chronyed about 100 fps more than Stingers, today @ the range.
I tried a bunch of loads in my new Savage FVT and I think I have a tight bbl. Tighter than the 10-22 anyways.
I had the pleasant surprise to stabilize the 60 grainers out of that Savage.
Towards the end of the session, when the bbl got dirty-er, they started key-holing.
I tried about 15 types of ammo... gotta do it again and decide on a brand for that rifle....So far yellow jackets and Remington gold Plated (bulk) grouped very good.... getting close to Lapua Club and Eley practice.
the dissapointment of the day was Federal gold match. All groups fired @ 50yds. Should I move closer for the next session, or farther?
I tried a bunch of loads in my new Savage FVT and I think I have a tight bbl. Tighter than the 10-22 anyways.
I had the pleasant surprise to stabilize the 60 grainers out of that Savage.
Towards the end of the session, when the bbl got dirty-er, they started key-holing.
I tried about 15 types of ammo... gotta do it again and decide on a brand for that rifle....So far yellow jackets and Remington gold Plated (bulk) grouped very good.... getting close to Lapua Club and Eley practice.
the dissapointment of the day was Federal gold match. All groups fired @ 50yds. Should I move closer for the next session, or farther?
I did a test last summer and never got around to posting the results. 
My average muzzle velocities were (10 shots on +23C day, out of 18" bbl semi-auto):
-Velocitor 40gr CPHP: 1298.4 fps Std Dev: 36.3 fps
-American Eagle 38gr CPHP: 1217.2 fps Std Dev: 48.8 fps
-Federal 38gr CPHP: 1172.0 fps Std Dev: 10.2fps
-Win. Power Point 40gr CPHP: 1204.4 fps Std Dev: 13.9 fps
-Stingers 32gr CPHP: 1591.4 fps Std Dev: 19.7 fps
The Federals were the most consistent round-to-round and the Power Points were the most accurate. I did some expansion tests on water jugs (10shots of each) and I found the PP's were by far the most impressive at mushrooming.
Although they didn't get as big as the stingers, they still mushroomed pretty big! Not only did they expand explosively, but every single one had almost identical performance, unlike the next best Stingers.
Surprisingly, the velocitors were the worst and only one of 10 rounds managed to mushroom at all. They did have good penetration though.
The federals and AE were about even, with 7 of 10 of the AE's expanding decently vs 8 of 10 of the federals. They expanded to respectable sizes for small game hunting.
My money is on the velocitors as the all around, most potent round due to good velocity, excellent accuracy and massive expansion. They're also the best value IMO at around $27/brick.
My average muzzle velocities were (10 shots on +23C day, out of 18" bbl semi-auto):
-Velocitor 40gr CPHP: 1298.4 fps Std Dev: 36.3 fps
-American Eagle 38gr CPHP: 1217.2 fps Std Dev: 48.8 fps
-Federal 38gr CPHP: 1172.0 fps Std Dev: 10.2fps
-Win. Power Point 40gr CPHP: 1204.4 fps Std Dev: 13.9 fps
-Stingers 32gr CPHP: 1591.4 fps Std Dev: 19.7 fps
The Federals were the most consistent round-to-round and the Power Points were the most accurate. I did some expansion tests on water jugs (10shots of each) and I found the PP's were by far the most impressive at mushrooming.
Although they didn't get as big as the stingers, they still mushroomed pretty big! Not only did they expand explosively, but every single one had almost identical performance, unlike the next best Stingers.
Surprisingly, the velocitors were the worst and only one of 10 rounds managed to mushroom at all. They did have good penetration though.
The federals and AE were about even, with 7 of 10 of the AE's expanding decently vs 8 of 10 of the federals. They expanded to respectable sizes for small game hunting.
My money is on the velocitors as the all around, most potent round due to good velocity, excellent accuracy and massive expansion. They're also the best value IMO at around $27/brick.
CCI quick-shoks have unbelievable energy retention and speed at 100yards, if it is only true. I wonder if advertised number anywhere close to real numbers and if they are, why? Judging by numbers quick-shoke bullet has more than double kinetic energy (173 ft-lbs) as compared to similarly loaded stingers (81 ft-lbs). Actually quick-shoke exceed all 22 magnum loads at 100 yards, that is if numbers are true. Anybody tried them? And how does partition bullet performs as compared to hollow or soft point? Below is the link to CCI ammo and ballistics:
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/ballistics/rimfire.aspx
http://www.cci-ammunition.com/ballistics/rimfire.aspx
same here.Out of my stock 10/22 barrel they were a little wild,but through my krinker barrel they make great groupseltorro said:the grouped wonderful in my SavageFVT, yesterday.
In the 10/22 they were horrible. I mean...@ 25 yds, I was better off throwing them by hand
Ive settled on CCI quik-shoks for varminting. Theyre by far the most devestating on a small ground-squirred sized target. Stingers are similar. Penertation isnt a concern of mine, a gopher is only maybe 2" across.
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velocitors are up in the top 3 for sure.
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I dont hear anything about the CCI MiniMags. Seem to work well in my 1022ss
but I havent tried a whole lot of others. Minimags were recommended by a buddy that has had a 1022 for a long time and shoots match and varmints. What else should I be trying?
I dont hear anything about the CCI MiniMags. Seem to work well in my 1022ss
but I havent tried a whole lot of others. Minimags were recommended by a buddy that has had a 1022 for a long time and shoots match and varmints. What else should I be trying?
I have shot lots of different rimfire ammo at lots of gophers and for my money the Powerpoints do the best job terminally. They are accurate and that huge hollow point allows them to eviscerate gophers.
prosper said:
I actually got quite lucky with my new GM barrel. Although it's not recomended by the manufactuer It will chamber and fire quik shoks quite accurately. The extra thump when hitting a gopher tells me they pack a punch too.
I get about 3/8'' 5 shot groups at 25 yards and on calm days about 3/4'' to 1'' groups at 100.
They actually beat out pmc match, remington target, and eley target in the same barrel.
I'm pretty stoked for next year's season.
I have never used a chrony. But I have shot alot of gophers.
Bar none, the most effective I have used have been the velocitors. The Stingers are louder, but they dont doo much to the goher and I get feed issues with them. Velicitors actualy knock the gopher back too, not quite like 17hmr, but its something apreciable anyway.
I dont buy too many of them anymore though. With rimfire ammo prices, I tend to go more for quantity than quality. I built my 10/22 up using nothing but AE 38 HPs and it shoots like a dream with those rounds. Better still is that these are the cheapest I have been able to find.
I had witnesses to this on the 24th when in the pouring rain I shot a .43" 5 round group from 75 yds, and this was without any sandbags, just my harris bipod.
I dont follow the stats or anything, but I am sure thats no record, but I am elated I did so well. And thats all I need.
My point is to just go with the cheapest ammo that will work reliably in your gun... so that you can buy tons of ammo and shoot all the time.
Bar none, the most effective I have used have been the velocitors. The Stingers are louder, but they dont doo much to the goher and I get feed issues with them. Velicitors actualy knock the gopher back too, not quite like 17hmr, but its something apreciable anyway.
I dont buy too many of them anymore though. With rimfire ammo prices, I tend to go more for quantity than quality. I built my 10/22 up using nothing but AE 38 HPs and it shoots like a dream with those rounds. Better still is that these are the cheapest I have been able to find.
I had witnesses to this on the 24th when in the pouring rain I shot a .43" 5 round group from 75 yds, and this was without any sandbags, just my harris bipod.
I dont follow the stats or anything, but I am sure thats no record, but I am elated I did so well. And thats all I need.
My point is to just go with the cheapest ammo that will work reliably in your gun... so that you can buy tons of ammo and shoot all the time.
Besides gophers, would any of the top 3 .22lr's be suitable for yodle dogs(coyote) under 50yds with a head shot? I'm sure it's been done before,but now with faster/heavier bullets could'nt it be suitable.
Lets say Farmer John only has a .22,coyotes been eat'n up his chickens???
Lets say Farmer John only has a .22,coyotes been eat'n up his chickens???
I have heard of it being done, but I dont like to bank on hearsay.
I have seen a cat shot with a .22 (This farmer I knew had more than 50 running all over his chicken farm)
The cat was gut shot and howling and the farmer was all sad that he had shot the cat. I guess it seemed like a good idea to him at the moment, but the cat was laying there wailing and the farmer didnt have the guts for a 2nd shot. I took his rifle and walked up and shot the cat in the head from about 8 feet. The bullet bounced off the cats skull and made it wail even louder. This was a terrible experience.
I can only imagine that coyotes are even tougher than the farm cats they feed on so I would say to go to something with a bit more poop if you can. Otherwise you are probably going to end up in a similar situation.
There are 17hmr shells designed for Coyotes. I forget the name, but they have a picture of a howling coyote on them, they are the 20 gr bullets. I wouldnt use them either to tell you the truth. I just dont think they have enough to them. I would go with a 22 hornet or a .223 or something a bit more upscale.
All that said, if a wild animal is eating your livestock, kill the thing. Period.
I have seen a cat shot with a .22 (This farmer I knew had more than 50 running all over his chicken farm)
The cat was gut shot and howling and the farmer was all sad that he had shot the cat. I guess it seemed like a good idea to him at the moment, but the cat was laying there wailing and the farmer didnt have the guts for a 2nd shot. I took his rifle and walked up and shot the cat in the head from about 8 feet. The bullet bounced off the cats skull and made it wail even louder. This was a terrible experience.
I can only imagine that coyotes are even tougher than the farm cats they feed on so I would say to go to something with a bit more poop if you can. Otherwise you are probably going to end up in a similar situation.
There are 17hmr shells designed for Coyotes. I forget the name, but they have a picture of a howling coyote on them, they are the 20 gr bullets. I wouldnt use them either to tell you the truth. I just dont think they have enough to them. I would go with a 22 hornet or a .223 or something a bit more upscale.
All that said, if a wild animal is eating your livestock, kill the thing. Period.
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BabySeal said:
I seen the same thing in Saskatchewan with an old school chum, who refused to use anything larger in calibre than 22 LR for shooting/hunting jackrabbits...
(To add, he was not a practiced shooter, with self-discipline to wait for a clean/close head shot)
Yes, I can hear the collective groan from any ethical hunter out there.
Some shooters have quickly dispatched many mammals larger than hares with a 22 LR, he is not one of these few capable persons...
My choice,versus his, was 222 Remington, however the EXACT same experience with his rifle transpired. Despite my warnings against so. Needless to say the one rabbit he did wound....I ended up dispatching the hare, rather quickly I must add!
Not a happy day.....
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