what is the most "potent" 22lr cartridge?

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Thats why I bought a 223. A 55gr bullet will do serious damage to a yote. I have lost grouse and rabbits to 22 that didnt kill quickly enough. Shot lots of gophers/groundhogs with one though. Not a problem with a 223. Now this is a powerful 22. Besides-on shot will do it with a 223. Not always so with a 22lr. Anyone use the CCI minimags hollow point?
 
minimags are some of the most accurate hunting rounds in all my rimfires.
Sure there are some faster ones or more precise, but this is what I use.

One note on the firing from up close... you have to compensate for things you never thought of while you're far away. I doubt that a 22LR would just bounce off a cat's skull when all the ones I tried (with the exception of the remington sobsonic - which I didn't try) penetrated a 4x4 piece of wood. And yes... the hollowpoints too.
I don't advocate moose hunting with them, but if one has a good clean shot at a dog/coyote's head, or heart, I think one should take it, pending one's marksmanship, of course.

The problem arises with so many ppl shooting dogs on a run, hitting them bad (in a bad way) and the saying... oh,the 22 is no good.

a 375 H&H wil certainly dispatch a deer faster than a 30-30 (given the same shot placement), but we take for granted that we should take good aim for a deer. Why not for the dog either?

Someone posted a picture with a dog hit in the eye @ a nice distance. Not that was a good job!
 
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Same here. I have hunted with a 22 for 40 years and cat skull or gopher skull are no contest up close. At 100 plus feet, well maybe. Maybe the guy was using old shorts. Small animal skulls are really not very thick. My old CIL longs were pretty potent even then. These new 22s are an improvement.
 
Does anyone know the velocity of the Winchester T22's? (Yes, I know they're garbage, but I have a gazillion rounds of the stuff to shoot off) They didn't work too well in my Krinker.
 
In responce i cannot say 100%,what brand of ammunition my school friend used.
I can make a good guess and say they were poor quality, low velocity solid rounds that he probably aquired through trade or favors....
Perhaps they may have been, the old russian vostok brand or CIL of old vintage.....
 
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i'm pretty happy with rem game load
cheap, pretty accurate outta my krink and rips through a frying pan nicely:D

but i've been on the hunt for the power points, i'd like to give them a go
 
I still prefer Federal Classic HV .22's 31gr copper plated HP. Many upon Many gopher's have fallen to these 31gr bullets with my trusty Lakefield/Mossberg MKII. But I still tend to buy the bulk packs regardless of brand.
The animal surely can't tell the difference.
 
I grew up on a poultry farm only a half mile from town. People were always letting stray cats wander into our farm and also dumping off unwanted ones. They are a serious threat to poultry farmers, disease and pile-ups from spooked birds panicking when they get in the barn at night. We lost a lot of turkeys over the years to these varmints. I've killed many feral cats with a .22 and can say from experience a long rifle, 38 gr. high speed hollow point is entirely adequate within 75 yds or so. They will run about 20 ft. after a double lung shot. Solids, and especially shorts, are not so good. A .22 LRHP should only be used for coyotes a last resort. I used CCI Stingers to shoot two turkey killing dogs once - not pretty. Penetration was inadequate. I use a .22 hornet or .222 for coyotes and jackrabbits.
 
Regarding the Stingers I have further comment:
A farmer friend was loosing guinea fowl and chickens to coyotes and foxes. Another hunter friend borrowed my Winchester 490 semi auto rifle and went for an early morning walk while I sat quietly overlooking the farm, from a haystack in the nearby pasture with my 222 remington.

That rainy morning my partner found a fox sleeping in the back ' 40 and let loose with the 22 semi. He said he killed it with 3 rounds of Stingers at a range of 30 or so yards! Not pretty but the chicken eater was dead....
A week later, I shot a coyote at 300 yards with the centrefire, and also another fox at about 70 yards, and the seige was over.
 
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If you do a little physics. Kinetic energy = 1/2 m v^2 If you take a ratio of the bullet mass and velocities, the units cancel out and you can get a relative comparison of K.E.

E.g. Velocitor vs Stinger using the factory values:

At the muzzle, Stinger has 5% more K.E. 50 yds, Stinger 1% more. 100 yds, Stinger 22% less. Of course real world conditions and variations make this comparison a little more academic, but its very clear the Stinger is not a hard hitting round at 100 yds and beyond.

The heavier 40g bullet in the Velocitor compared to the 32g in the Stinger has more momentum, and slows down less as the distance increases.

This is also not considering the differences one sees on penetration between different bullet weights and velocities. IMO, the Velocitor is the best hunting .22LR round out there. Even better once you start running them through Paco's ACCURZR tool.
 
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IMO, the Velocitor is the best hunting .22LR round out there. Even better once you start running them through Paco's ACCURZR tool.
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What is that accurzr tool?
 
About the ACU'RZR. Its a tool mainly meant for resizing and reforming standard, round nose .22 ammo. The idea is that as long as you choose a brand that does their job right with a consistent primer and powder charge, the tool resizes the bullets to the same diameter. It also lets you make a very deep hollow point for hunting that Paco calls the Nastinose. I have some CCI CB .22 shorts I want to try Nastinosing too, and see how much expansion I'm getting compared to the results claimed.

See HERE for a review of the ACU'RZR tool. You can get it HERE. I got the resizing tool for .223 and .224 bullet diameters and got all three nose deformation tools.
 
I was thinking - other than aczurzr being cheaper option, why not simply to match-chamber your gun and use match quality ammo? I can easily dispose 150 rounds in one good session at the range, I can't see me hammering every bullet.
 
I'll give the smart ass answer - because the ACU'RZR is a lot cheaper. Really, its original conception was to get a lot more out of the cheaper ammo. As long as you have consistent powder charge and priming (aka not Remington), it works very well. Its certainly not meant to replace the top benchrest guns and ammo.

The answer is in fact more complex when you step outside the range and shoot in the field:

(1) The expansion effects you can achieve are very important if you look at the ACU'RZR from a hunting standpoint.

(2) Do you know anyone that uses a tight match chamber on a hunting gun? Tough to chamber cartridges, failure to extract etc are what you might expect.
 
another question - can that accurizer tool make hollow point where there was none. Say if I like standard velocity rounds and want to make em for hunting? So far I couldn't find hollow point (expanding bullets) on top of standard velocity charge.

And one more - if chamber is loose like momma and I get a lot of blow-by, wouldn't that tighter bullet increase the blow by? I mean, if bullet sits tighter in a chamber while your brass is just as loose as always, seems one will get more gas escaping the wrong way.

Hey, I am not all that negative, I just want to know what to expect. 60$ isn't expensive but boy am I cheap.
 
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