what is the point to buy a Norinco M305 if all the parts are to be replaced?

[dukecrab]

I am so confused....after reading some threads.
like this:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=40293

End result: one match chambered Mark 14 Mod 0 CrazyHorse clone.

Parts breakdown:

-Norinco Forged M305 Reciever (The only Chinese part left)
-Smith Enterprises CrazyHorse Barrel (22”, 1 in 10” twist With 4 grooves)
-USGI Gas cylinder
-USGI Gas piston
-Smith Enterprises Navy Gas Lock Sight
-Smith Enterprises Direct Connection Vortex FH
-Sage Chop Mod EBR stock with Sage op rod guide & Picatinney stripper clip scope mount
-TRW USGI Trigger Assembly
-TRW USGI Op Rod
-TRW USGI Bolt
-USGI recoil spring
-Rooster33 NM op Rod spring guide
-Rooster33 oversized bolt release
-ARMS #22 high QD rings with ARMS tactical rail
-Leupold Mark IV 3.5 - 10 X 40mm M1/LR Illuminated Mil Dot scope
-KAC Rail covers

if only one part or no part is left...then why buy the gun?
why just buy all these parts and put them together?

I can not understand....

can anyone explain to me?

 

[Farlsincharge]

The norinco receiver is non-restricted and readily available.

 

[Fenix.NZ]

and replacing all the parts is an intensely person choice..

Plus the build you quoted is pretty out there as far as builds go.. not your everyday m14

 

[hillmanr2]

Non of the parts need to be replaced. My buddies was freakin awesome after clean and lube outa the box. I shot 1/2 group of 3 with the sights from 75 yards. Mine is the same
Some people like to upgrade.

So with a m305 buy, clean, lube ,shoot.
#### stays on, well at least so far

 

[5440fight]

Plenty of people buy m305's and just shoot them. Your d!ck won't fall off.
Sadly enough, you can improve on anything, and people spend a lot of money doing so, only to long for simpler days when they could shoot for fun.

 

[valmet762]

the only thing that should be replaced on the NORC is the stock.. unless you buy the rifle that comes with the synthetic stock... in which case you dont have to replace anything, if you dont want to.. just go out and shoot it.

 

[punkrockboy]

The Norinco reciever is top-notch, (the only non restricted comparason would be a cast springfield M1A which are in the 2000 price range)
A real M14 is prohib. SO it is a good base gun for a build. Nobody says you have to replace everything either. Most factory norc shoot quite well.

 

[LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1]

Our choices of M-14 style rifles is really limited up here, So the Norcs are an affordable choice for tuning up if thats your choice to go.

Most, if not all "Real" M-14' IE surplus rifles are 12(3) "Converted auto" class prohibited
Most US made M-14's, commonly Springfield Armory M1A, are in the $2000+ range
An LRB Receiver, is around $800 US If I remember right, and that the US Price.

Those including the Norcs are pretty much our choices at this moment.

 

[maple_leaf_eh]

Apply for medical insurance NOW! Your #### will fall off without warning. You can use the windfall (bad pun) to pay off the credit card for all the parts you bought.

 

[Aniest]

if only one part or no part is left...then why buy the gun?
why just buy all these parts and put them together?

I can not understand....

can anyone explain to me?

I have been researching a lot about the Norinco M305. From what I have read, viewed, seen (tried to read every M14 post here, and viewed the Hungary Oct 2004 M14 clinic video) the one you quoted is specifically for someone trying to clone a M14 Match Grade rifle for less money, or someone trying to clone a real USGI M14. As said, Springfields are nuts expensive in comparison, and real M14s are converted autos.

If you are looking for a 1MOA to 2 MOA rifle to shoot, I figure you should replace the Op Rod Spring Guide and make sure some stuff is ok: like the gas system isn't rattling around and the front stock isn't tight to the gas system. For that you need a new spring guide, a castle nut wrench and a gas wrench (Hungry says make one, it's just to back up the castle nut pliars). I figure that's a $500.00 or less rifle with plastic stock (assuming some tax & shipping) with $45.00 for a guide (Marstar) and $20.00 pliars (Equip. Exchange here). From there its all tinkering. Plus, you are getting China's best: you can get a 2 MOA outta the box... or a 1/2 MOA too.

There are more things that can be done by you, like more checks and tinkers... but you can also go nuts with it too. Heck, rumours are some people get expensive Springfield Match rifles and still have to tinker... and then spend a load on a mount, rings and a scope.

In other words: You can shoot excellent with little to no expense beyond the rifle and ammo, or you can reach for a pretty high sky.

 

[dukecrab]

some of you does not understand my concerns
let make it easy to describe

for example, I bought a new Norinco M305;
then I bought lots of USGI parts;
if I replace any part of the M305, I put the part which was taken out of the project, into to BOX(let's call it a recycle bin, just like the one on your computer desktop);

after a while, when I finish my project; I find what in my recycle bin is ....the Norinco M305 without the receiver !
so I throw my newly-bought M305 to the recycle bin!



and I agree with some of you guys about "there is no need to replace so many part of the M305. "

if someone is going to replace lots of the parts.....just buy the parts and put them together......why buy a gun and do the replacement?

 

[LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1]

some of you does not understand my concerns
let make it easy to describe

for example, I bought a new Norinco M305;
then I bought lots of USGI parts;
if I replace any part of the M305, I put the part which was taken out of the project, into to BOX(let's call it a recycle bin, just like the one on your computer desktop);

after a while, when I finish my project; I find what in my recycle bin is ....the Norinco M305 without the receiver !
so I throw my newly-bought M305 to the recycle bin!



and I agree with some of you guys about "there is no need to replace so many part of the M305. "

if someone is going to replace lots of the parts.....just buy the parts and put them together......why buy a gun and do the replacement?

Some do this, but the only receiver you can buy alone, is pretty much an LRB, which runs around $800 in the US. If affordable receiver become avilible, then mor and more people will be doing what you mention, but as of now, its cheaper to buy a M-305, strip it and replace, then sell the parts off.

people who do a complete overhaul, usually are only buying the receiver, the parts are just add ons for them. Example is, old guy has an old prohib m-14, want to shoot it (cant) buys a Norc, swaps the parts, and takes his "USGI Norc out and about while leaving the evil prohib receiver in the safe with the cheaper Norc parts.

 

[dukecrab]

So beautiful~~~~~
I am going to get one.............next year

 

[dukecrab]

Once again, cost. in some cases Its cheaper to buy an M-305, and replace all the parts, then to buy a new "higher end" rifle like a Springfield M1a.
Also, the Norc receivers are good quality, some say even better then USGI receiver. People who do this, dont buy a nor for the Norc, they buy it for the receiver.

...that is what I though....so they pay for $400-500 just for a receiver.

 

[Farlsincharge]

...that is what I though....so they pay for $400-500 just for a receiver.

Ummm... Ya.
This is not just limited to the m-305.

 

[dukecrab]

if someone buy all the USGI parts and the receiver(not the gun), then he built them into a gun,...because there is no record or a form to state it is "non-restricted", if he got caught, it will be a ..restricted gun?!


if he bought a M305 first, so he has a form stated it as "non-restricted",
then he replace most of the parts, but left the receiver, it is still the "non-restricted"

is that right?

 

[Farlsincharge]

In canada the "receiver" is the "gun". That should clarify some of the misunderstandings.

 

[dukecrab]

In canada the "receiver" is the "gun". That should clarify some of the misunderstandings.

Thanks! all clear now! I thought the "barrel" is the "gun"

 

[LeeEnfieldNo.4_mk1]

if someone buy all the USGI parts and the receiver(not the gun), then he built them into a gun,...because there is no record or a form to state it is "non-restricted", if he got caught, it will be a ..restricted gun?!


if he bought a M305 first, so he has a form stated it as "non-restricted",
then he replace most of the parts, but left the receiver, it is still the "non-restricted"

is that right?

No,
Like mentioned, in Canada, as well as most of the world, the receiver is the "Gun". A 12 year old can walk into a store, buy a barrel, stock, bolt, gas assembly, everything needed, but not the receiver, as it is the firearm.

If you buy a USGI receiver in Canada, just the receiver, no barrel, no stock, no nothing, you are still in possesion of a PROHIBITED, not restricted firearm, no if and or butts. If its not registered, then thats another charge, YES they can tell the difference. All USGI M-14's are Prohibited in Canada, as in no one except the people who owned them before the ban can own them, no one else, nadda, none.

Sorry to sound redundant, trying to cover all bases.

 

[dukecrab]

I have been researching a lot about the Norinco M305. From what I have read, viewed, seen (tried to read every M14 post here, and viewed the Hungary Oct 2004 M14 clinic video) the one you quoted is specifically for someone trying to clone a M14 Match Grade rifle for less money, or someone trying to clone a real USGI M14. As said, Springfields are nuts expensive in comparison, and real M14s are converted autos.

If you are looking for a 1MOA to 2 MOA rifle to shoot, I figure you should replace the Op Rod Spring Guide and make sure some stuff is ok: like the gas system isn't rattling around and the front stock isn't tight to the gas system. For that you need a new spring guide, a castle nut wrench and a gas wrench (Hungry says make one, it's just to back up the catsle nut). I figure that's a $500.00 or less rifle with plastic stock (assuming some tax & shipping) with $45.00 for a guide (Marstar) and $20.00 pliars (Equip. Exchange here). From there its all tinkering. Plus, you are getting China's best: you can get a 2 MOA outta the box... or a 1/2 MOA too.

There are more things that can be done by you, like more checks and tinkers... but you can also go nuts with it too. Heck, rumours are some people get expensive Springfield Match rifles and still have to tinker... and then spend a load on a mount, rings and a scope.

In other words: You can shoot excellent with little to no expense beyond the rifle and ammo, or you can reach for a pretty high sky.

Thanks! lots of valuable information!