What is the very best and most potent pellet pistol I can get?

araz2114 said:
Hey Triggerhappy, are you serious? This guy is talking about shooting Grouse in the head at close ranges... 50 yds isn't going to happen. You sure as heck don't need a .22 for that. I have killed many, many grouse with a .177. The old adage of .177 for target and .22 for hunting is crap. If you are taking body shots you are wasting your time with either... there is a lot of breast there and not a lot of vital.

If you want a good single shot pneumatic pistol that is under 500fps then consider the gamo compact.... I know, that gamo isn't known for its quality but check this pistol out. It is made in spain and is good quality... feels very solid for mostly plastic...

The other pistol I would consider would be a daisy 747. Again a single stroke pneumatic that is very capable of taking grouse humanely.

The 2240 won't be the gun of choice as the CO2 could be unpredictable in the cold weather... stick with spring or pump guns...
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I call bulls#$t to you on using a ,177 pistol shooting under 500 fps even at close range at HUMANELY killing game consistently!Yes,people(even myself when i was younger) have killed one or two small game with under 500 fps .177,but 9 out of 10 x's you just maim the animal even with a properly placed shot.Your trying to tell someone that a Gamo compact shooting a 7.9 grain pellet at the max of 460fps/3.73ft/lb at best will do the job!I've been hunting small game with airguns,rimfire,and shotgun for 34yrs and very aware what you need to dispatch small game.What's next,your going to argue on how .22 rimfire is more than enough to drop a Moose!lol.Use the proper tool for the job for crying out loud.
Now back to reality check here! -14.3 grain .22 cal pellet+500 fps=7.98ft/lb-Great for up to 10yrd head shots on rabbit or grouse
- 7.9 grain .177cal pellet+500 fps=4.41ft/lb-Great for paper targets,mice,or sparrows
pharaoh2,if you want a in depth review on real life info on airgun hunting,go to the Canadian Airgun Forum and ask there.You won't get fairy tales about hunting the great white buffalo.
Another thing is,99.9% of all fps claims from the pellet gun makers are less than stated.So with .177 you are usually at 3-3.5ft/lb.
With the 2240 and 2289,you can even mod them to .25 cal without breaking the piggybank.
-21.5 grain .25 cal pellet+500 fps=12 ft/lb !!!Now you have power to smack down small game very easily up to 20-25yrds and your still legal!!!
Just remember guys,we are talking about having a pistol that will dispatch small game humanely and legally,not maybe and legally.
 
araz2114 said:
What ever... You must be right and I am wrong. All that math and your awesome amount of experience couldn't be wrong :)

Thank you for blessing all of us with presence.
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It all comes down to research,facts,and experience.That's it,that's all,it's that simple.It has nothing to do with me trying to prove i'm more experienced than you are,but what's real and what works to get the job done right.
 
triggerhappy69 said:
It all comes down to research,facts,and experience.That's it,that's all,it's that simple.It has nothing to do with me trying to prove i'm more experienced than you are,but what's real and what works to get the job done right.
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Really? I killed about 100,000,000 squirrels and birds with a .177 as a kid. A break action, a pump, and a CO2 revolver. They were all sub-495fps. A dead squirrel is a dead squirrel... :ar15:
 
They are no longer made,but I have a BSA Scorpion in .22 that is rated at 480fps.My father bought it,fired a few dozen shots then gave it to me.I fired a few dozen shots,then put it away again.It's a very powerful,quite accurate air pistol,but it has a synthetic stock.
 
2240

i have two (actually one is a friends whom i have not seen in a while) leftovers when i had a range in my apartment years ago (pm me maybe i'll start a thread on it, the super just laugh and shook his head )
 
Gormley Green said:
Really? I killed about 100,000,000 squirrels and birds with a .177 as a kid. A break action, a pump, and a CO2 revolver. They were all sub-495fps. A dead squirrel is a dead squirrel... :ar15:
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And to be totally truthful about the kills you have made,how many were instant kills.How many needed a second shot or took a minute or two to die an agonizing death.I've seen squirrels take direct hits with .22 rimfire and still lived for a minute or two!Those damn buggers can be tough sometimes!lol
There are always going to be someone who will argue that "i can kill with minimum powered airguns".Isn't what we want is to use the right tool for the job.Why should we use a tool that most of the time maims an animal when we can use a tool that does the job right in one shot.
It's like some guys i have gone gopher hunting with.In their haste of wanting to kill everything that they see,they do their hail mary shots at 150yrds with .22 rimfire.Do they hit their mark?Ya i would say 25% of the time,but 95% of those hits the gopher is still alive to crawl 5-10 yrds down the hole.The problem here is,the animal isn't killed instantly and dies a horrible slow death..Damn,i own a Airforce Condor throwing 21.1 grain kodiaks at 950 fps(42.5ft/lb),and just last week had a pigeon fly away with a breast shot at 25yrds!!
If i'm out hunting and see a Grouse 10 yrds away,i want to know that i'm going to drop him on the spot with one shot.8ft/lb is going to do it way better than 4.4ft/lb will,of course ether way you have to properly place your shot.I never said you can't kill small game with sub 500 .177,i said you can't kill consistently with a sub 500 .177.
All i'm saying is don't use what maybe or sometimes will work,use what will work most of the time.
 
Ok folks I have a confession. I was not aware a pellet pistol would be restricted if it exceeded 500 fps. Rather I assumed it would simply fall into the registered requirment. I see now I was a bit presumpuous in expecting longer shots. I consider myself a pretty good shot with a pistol, but head shots are beyond my abilities. I hoped a pistol of enough power would be adequete for body shots, but I see I am wrong. I would still consider a pistol for up close work, but I see I will be under 500 fps and I suppose just about any air pistol would fit that bill. Thanks all anyways.
 
I would still consider a pistol for up close work, but I see I will be under 500 fps and I suppose just about any air pistol would fit that bill.
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Just be sure to stick with a .22,they have much more energy at 500fps,and it does make a difference on small game.
 
stubblejumper said:
Just be sure to stick with a .22,they have much more energy at 500fps,and it does make a difference on small game.
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I find .177 works better for sub 500 pistols when going for body shots, the smaller pellet penetrates further.

but well, not that id know... cause airgun hunting is not permited in qc :D
 
I find .177 works better for sub 500 pistols when going for body shots, the smaller pellet penetrates further.
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I have killed my share of small game with both .177 and 22 cal sub 500fps airguns,and I found the 22 more effective if the velocity was similar.This was mostly on gophers,magpies and the odd crow when I got close enough.
 
Trotter said:
can you hunt with a pistol? check your regs. Ontario you can't.
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Hey Trotter, you can definitely hunt with a sub 500 air pistol for small game in Ontario. Anything over 500fps and it becomes restricted same as any powder burning pistol. They are fun and no you don't hit the grouse heads every time but they are easy to carry when hunting large game.

Check the regs or ask a CO....

....and I would recommend a .177 as they have far better penetration... :dancingbanana::dancingbanana:
 
alaus24 said:
50 yards with a pistol...I say nay ,nay. You will need to be the best shot on the planet, outdoors ,no rest or bum bag. For that you will need a PAL rated rifle in at least .22 . You need to look at chairgun to see the energy you will need. A diabolo shaped projectile at 50 yds, need weight and speed to get the FPE for hunting.
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I had a Gamo Falcon that could hit Coke cans at 50yds offhand.
An underlever .177 with a terrible trigger, go figure. KD

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pharaoh2 said:
Ok folks I have a confession. I was not aware a pellet pistol would be restricted if it exceeded 500 fps. Rather I assumed it would simply fall into the registered requirment.
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Over 500fps, and a 'pistol' would make it restricted I guess.
Over 500fps, and a rifle would make it non-restricted.
Now what about a rifle, over 500fps, and a OAL of less than 26"?
 
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