What is your go anywhere do anything rifle?

Hmmmm I have a few that would make the cut, actually all my big game rifles would actually make the cut but my new to me custom 30-06 built on a Husqvarna 98 with a 1.5-4x Pecar scope in claw mounts would be one, it shoots 190gn Speer impact at like 2700fps+ and is really accurate like 1”@100m groups great two stage trigger 14.5” length of pull, less than 8lbs ready to go. It’s used enough that I don’t need to worry about weather conditions.
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I have my 9.3x62 built on a cz550 that is a pretty awesome rifle too. There is more recoil and is a bit heavier. It would have to be one of those two, even if I really like others I have like my Merkel k5 in 30-06 or my Danzig Mauser 98 in 8x57 with double set triggers is real sweet too!! Damn it’s too hard 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
Sights4Nights said:
Iron sighted carbon barrel- very cool. Is that a peep behind the rear scope ring?
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Yes it is, the sights and bases are the work of Paul at Pr precision. The peep is incorporated into the rear base, using quick detach rings I can pull the scope in the field and with the short barrel it should be quite handy in the thick stuff.

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Joel said:
When doesn't it?

The bigger rifle isn't going to give you that much leeway for poor shooting or shot placement.

A bullet that expands (or fragments) sufficiently, penetrates sufficiently, etc is going to stop vitals...or reach CNS. Plenty lighter than 30-06 can do that in any situation where it can.
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There is always a compromise imo. It all come down to your way of hunting, if you like close and personal then you have a lot more choices than if you like to shoot games out past 500m oh and what is the game you are after… Bison at 300m with a 243win you better be a really good shot and use a really good bullets and place that bullet where it belongs. We got a bison last week and the thickness of the skin in some places is like 3/4 of an inch plus some pretty think hair/fur, lots of massive bones like the ribs that are a lot bigger than the ribs on a moose size for size.
Anyway, it all depends on how far and how good and what bullet you use.
Lots of games in the arctic all over the world have been shot with 222 rem, 223 rem, 7.62x39 etc but usually the mentality/ethic is different and also time have changed.
A teacher I had was in Africa in the 70’s for 2-3 years working there and in his off time went hunting all kind of stuff including one or two elephants, the rifle he brought there was an old browning bar 308 and a case of fmj ammo. Shot everything with it mostly in the head and really close distances(inside 150m).
You can always make it work!
 
257hunter said:
Yes it is, the sights and bases are the work of Paul at Pr precision. The peep is incorporated into the rear base, using quick detach rings I can pull the scope in the field and with the short barrel it should be quite handy in the thick stuff.

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Wow that is cool, I’m not a big fan of “black” rifles, but that ^^^ I dig!! Thanks for the close up photos!!
 
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This will be my first season packing it but here is my idea of the answer to that question. Pre 64 model 70, IBI 20” carbon barrel, chambered in 338-06AI. It’s capable of tackling anything and fairly mild on recoil. Shooting a 265 grain bullet it isn’t the fastest thing around but it’s in the same territory as the Whelen or the 9.3 up close and still has the legs to reach out as far as one really needs to in the field.
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Ok maybe that build needs a thread of its own. Stock? Barrel we know! Gunsmith that did the work? How does it shoot? Weight? Total cost(approximately😎)…..
I think I really like it. I could see my self getting something like that done maybe in 338 federal…
 
DGY said:
Ok maybe that build needs a thread of its own. Stock? Barrel we know! Gunsmith that did the work? How does it shoot? Weight? Total cost(approximately😎)…..
I think I really like it. I could see my self getting something like that done maybe in 338 federal…
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Seconded. Including 338 Fed haha.

BTW, I agree with your point on the bison. But its kind of ridiculous that 30-06 is legal but say 7mm-08 is not. Functionally they're pretty much entirely the same cartridge.

Congrats to all on getting the bison thats amazing.
 
257hunter said:
Yes it is, the sights and bases are the work of Paul at Pr precision. The peep is incorporated into the rear base, using quick detach rings I can pull the scope in the field and with the short barrel it should be quite handy in the thick stuff.

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PR’s work is outstanding, and his catalog too. Very tasteful restomod bolt gun. Appreciate the pics. Got the wheels turning over here. Nicely done.
 
Joel said:
When doesn't it?

The bigger rifle isn't going to give you that much leeway for poor shooting or shot placement.

A bullet that expands (or fragments) sufficiently, penetrates sufficiently, etc is going to stop vitals...or reach CNS. Plenty lighter than 30-06 can do that in any situation where it can.
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To this point. A lot of “Heavier” more “Well Constructed” bullets actually perform less ideally on marginal shots. They definitely penetrate better and will often leave two holes. But by not fragmenting and the bullet upsetting less they destroy less tissue and leave smaller permanent wound channels.

This leads to the myths of certain animals being “tough” and able to “soak up” shots and carry on.

Tissue damage, and by extension, organ dame kills. Energy has little to do with things.
 
Joel said:
Seconded. Including 338 Fed haha.

BTW, I agree with your point on the bison. But its kind of ridiculous that 30-06 is legal but say 7mm-08 is not. Functionally they're pretty much entirely the same cartridge.

Congrats to all on getting the bison thats amazing.
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I mean really 7rem mag 175gn bullet is more than 30-06 180gn bullets on paper but still o go. Phil and Ted have loads with 308win that are legal for bison and showed the department but still no go. I mean that number they decided on is 100% arbitrary. They could have gone with muzzle energy and bullet weight and construction but some one decided it was the magic number and they only say use an adequate bullet hahaha
 
DGY said:
I mean really 7rem mag 175gn bullet is more than 30-06 180gn bullets on paper but still o go. Phil and Ted have loads with 308win that are legal for bison and showed the department but still no go. I mean that number they decided on is 100% arbitrary. They could have gone with muzzle energy and bullet weight and construction but some one decided it was the magic number and they only say use an adequate bullet hahaha
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Yeah lol we have some local ordnances here that were probably wise in the 1940s....maybe....but need to be updated. And like you said, lots of arbitrary stuff. Worked with a wildlife tech once who went by "it takes 1500 ft/lbs to kill a moose" as if it were Gospel. Great guy tho haha.
 
I'd go with one of my 8x57's 160gr TTSX at 3000 fps, 180gr TSX at 2800+ fps, or a 200gr at 2700+ fps.

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BC's requirements makes more sense compared to the Yukon's.

British Columbia Requirements

Bullet Weight: Minimum 175 grains.
Energy: Minimum 2,000 ft-lbs (2,712 J) at 100 meters

So if loaded properly a 7mm-08/7x57/308win with a 175/180gr starting at 2600 fps make the cut.
 
Joel said:
When doesn't it?

The bigger rifle isn't going to give you that much leeway for poor shooting or shot placement.

A bullet that expands (or fragments) sufficiently, penetrates sufficiently, etc is going to stop vitals...or reach CNS. Plenty lighter than 30-06 can do that in any situation where it can.
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Well you do you I guess. First time I've heard of fragmenting being beneficial for more than varmint game but again, YBY.
I just use math and it tells me a 200-250 gr projectile at 2500- 2800 fps hitting a large or DG categorized animal with 2500 - 3000 ft lbs at 100 - 200 yds is what I'd rather be shooting at large bears than one spewing 140 - 160s at 2400 - 2600 fps reaching target at 2000 - 2200 ft lbs.

Off topic a bit but what cartridge are you carrying when hunting in the Alberta/BC wilds with larger g bear populations present? You're from one of those 2 right?
 
Custom 300prc built by EM precision

9lbs scoped and loaded

EM pulse action (built by Curtis Customs)
20” IBI carbon hunting contour barrel
Gold triggertech diamond flat
MDT HNT 26
MDT mountain bipod
Leupold MK5 3.6-18x44 in a Spuhr 1 piece mount

217gr Berger Elite hunters over N570 doing 2930fps

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Bustercluck said:
What are the details on this guy? Do you know what it weighs without the scope?

I’ve been trying to fill the void of a lightweight packable 45/70 lever gun. I’d probably entertain the idea of a 460s&w too but they don’t seem very popular.
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I'll try weight it. It feels bit lighter than my SBL. Just changed the stock with Midwest industries. Nice and clean look, it weighs as much as the original polymer stock.
But with the 4570 you almost need the weight to help with the recoil. I went through 60 rounds last weekend, my shoulder is all black and blue. Decent kick on it. Thinking of keeping the SBLs as a collection, feel bad about scratching them up. So this is my all purpose bush gun instead, don't care if it gets beat up. Very smooth action. And as far as I know the barrel is also stainless and then coated too.
About 1moa at 100yards with the leverevolution 325gr. Good enough for me.
 

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270AB said:
Well you do you I guess. First time I've heard of fragmenting being beneficial for more than varmint game but again, YBY.
I just use math and it tells me a 200-250 gr projectile at 2500- 2800 fps hitting a large or DG categorized animal with 2500 - 3000 ft lbs at 100 - 200 yds is what I'd rather be shooting at large bears than one spewing 140 - 160s at 2400 - 2600 fps reaching target at 2000 - 2200 ft lbs.

Off topic a bit but what cartridge are you carrying when hunting in the Alberta/BC wilds with larger g bear populations present? You're from one of those 2 right?
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You didn't know that bullets that lose mass kill faster than bullets that don't? Happy to help ya discover that one today :) Not being facetious, btw. If you went this far while somehow miraculously not knowing that bullets shedding their weight in the form of fragmentation kill big game faster too, then its high time to correct that!

The crazy thing is, you can take bullets that are bonded and don't that much mass but open very wide, like a Fusion (Gold Dot) and the fragmenting bullet (TMK, ELDM, etc) can still penetrate farther while doing more damage.

Why wouldn't a lighter cartridge than 30-06 kill bears?

Your math up there completely ignores bullet construction, whether they reach the vitals or CNS, how much damage they so there, etc. Therefore it means nothing.

Lol ft/lbs

Like you said, you do you. Carrying a bigger gun is great if you shoot it as well. Do so, the more the merrier and no replacement for displacement. But, as long as you don't think the others can't or fall short. Dead IS quite dead. I am all ears on how a 160gr projectile of good design is not gonna kill something when the 250gr bullet hit in the same place will. But hey, maybe where you live magically changes the laws of physics etc hahaha
 
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Projectiles of good design is the key words here and good design for coyotes and good design for moose or the like is different, my last moose got shot at nearly 300 yards with factory hornady 178gn eldx and yes the moose died and quite quickly to be honest but lots of meat lost and that for me is a good reason enough to not use that bullet again! On bison moose and big bears it will be only good solidly built bullets like accubond, partitions, impacts etc.
For caribou I don’t care cause there bones are pretty thin and light skin animals same with sheep and goats.
As for big dangerous grizzly bears, i never felt under gunned while carrying one of my 30-06’s even loaded with 165gn bullets.
Fragmenting bullets or C&C bullets are fine if you don’t plan on hitting bones, but planning and reality are two different things and in my book you better plan on hitting bones and plan on hitting the animal in less than ideal broad side or slightly quartering away, cause that is not always the shot that is presented to you!
Most people don’t even know the different anatomy of different animals like you don’t hit a bison at the same place as you would a moose or caribou and same goes for bears… but again very little people actually know or take the time to study that stuff!
 
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