What kind of .358 load is this ????

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Hi Guys
A guy in my deer camp loaded these up for me and I checked the hodgons load data site and didn't give me the info I wanted.
The load is Winchester .358 with 48 grs blc2 with hornady 200 gr spire piont.The load data does say they are about 2300 fps but doesn't give me anything on energy at diff ranges.I will be using these shells in either a Winchester model 88 or 100.The load data says 49 is min and 52 is max.
Are these still ok for moose or are they any better than factory loads ?
Thanks, 88
 
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Hornady lists a max charge of 48.2gr @ 2400fps with that bullet powder combo (out of a 24" bbl). Using the ballistics tables in their manual 2300fps at the muzzle would be 2349ft-lbs of energy, 2156fps/2063ft-lbs @ 50yds, 2016fps/1805ft-lbs @100yds, 1755fps/1368ft-lbs @ 200yds, 1520fps/1026ft-lbs @300.
 
Thanks Guys !
Is my load safe enough to use in a Winchester 88 or a Winchester 100 converted to 358.I don't know which gun I'll be using but I sure like my 100 in 358 so will most likely be that or maybe the 88 in 358 as I've got an 8 round mag to feed her !
Thanks, 88
 
88man, WOW, an 8-round mag. Just spray lead and maybe something will run into it Huh?
How about practising from real field shooting positions so that you only need one or maybe two shots! A moose has a vital zone about two feet across. You should be able to hit that EVERY TIME offhand at 100 yds, double that distance from kneeling or sitting, three times that ( 300 yds) with a good rest. Big magazines are a crutch for poor shooters. Any good load shot from a .358 will work very well for moose. Practise! Practise! Practise! And by the way, you find out what is a safe load by working up from a conservative starting load in YOUR rifle, while watching for pressure signs. Read a good reloading manual, it's all spelled out how to do it. Good luck!
 
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tell him to load you 225 grain Nosler Partitions over H4895
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What todbartell said is good advice. The 200 Hornady Spire point is a better deer hunting bullet - VERY dependable for that purpose in the 358 Win - but not ideal for tougher critters like moose I think - though no doubt it'll work on moose on a good day I guess. Personally I'd also consider good 250s at 2250MV to 2300MV and learn to shoot with the trajectory past 200 yards or hunt closer.

But, that said, a couple of suggested loads including a finer point on what todbartell recommended;

47gr/H4895 / 225 Partition / 2510fps
- not my load and have not tried it (will someday)
- source is Layne Simpson (Shooting Times Mag) and states it's his fav for his Win. mod. 88 lever gun in 358

Or perhaps Boddington's fav for his custom 88
49/IMR 4895 / 225 Partition / an honest 2500fps he says

Charges shown may be maximum in some rifles; use safe handloading procedures, reduce charges shown by five percent, and work up in half-grain increments, watching for signs of pressure.
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Read full article here The Great 358 - http://www.gunsandammomag.com/gun_columns/notes/notes0404_0426/

Read my muddling round with loading my .358 here/BLR over the years - http://35cal.com/loading.html#blr

Incidentally next week I hope to be loading for and hunting with a Ruger Frontier/358Win if the post office complies. I plan to use 42grs to 43gr IMR3031 behind Speer250HCs and Hornady 250RNs to get me a bear. We'll see.

PS - I think the 225 partition is superior game bullet than the 225 Sierra BT.

My2cents.
 
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88man, WOW, an 8-round mag. Just spray lead and maybe something will run into it Huh?
How about practising from real field shooting positions so that you only need one or maybe two shots! A moose has a vital zone about two feet across. You should be able to hit that EVERY TIME offhand at 100 yds, double that distance from kneeling or sitting, three times that ( 300 yds) with a good rest. Big magazines are a crutch for poor shooters. Any good load shot from a .358 will work very well for moose. Practise! Practise! Practise! And by the way, you find out what is a safe load by working up from a conservative starting load in YOUR rifle, while watching for pressure signs. Read a good reloading manual, it's all spelled out how to do it. Good luck!
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88man is a well respected GunNut here & should be treated as such so I think you may be out of line bringing his 8 round mag into play.........

Relax Longwalker, read a good dictionary, it's all spelled out how to spell.:rolleyes:

p-r-a-c-t-i-c-i-n-g

p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e, p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e, p-r-a-c-t-i-c-e.......

:p:p:p
 
All I was doing was joking about the mag !.I do have these mags though and never,never used them.I don't think,I mean I know,I've never needed any more than 2 shots for anything I've ever hunted and killed and I think I used 2 shots 2x and the rest 1 shot,never taken a moose yet but I've got about 45 deer under the gun since 1988 and most have been shot in front of my hounds so you can figure out from that how fast the deer are going !!!!!.I am a dam good shot !!!!!
Hope this clears things up Longwalker !!!!!!!!!
 
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Hi there, my Browning 358 really likes 225 Nolser Partitions with 45 gr. of Benchmark. I figure the 225 grain is a good compromise, between the 200 and 250 and you just know that N.P. is going to hold together no matter what. Black bears seem to die rather suddenly! Good luck.
 
That is a good stout load. So long as you don't hit the shoulder, it would be sudden death in a moose boileroom.

For moose I prefer the 220 to 250 bullet.

I have carried my 358 on several moose hunts, but only shot it once. The moose was at 425 yards. I aimed 6 feet high and still was short. My buddy killed it with two hits in the lungs with a 308 Mod 88. The recovered bullets showed no expansion at all. Could have been shot again. He was aiming over the moose's back, with open sights.
 
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